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		<title>By: sean</title>
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		<dc:creator>sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 03:08:32 +0000</pubDate>
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#  Wendy Says:
September 26th, 2007 at 9:50 pm

This is absolutly disgusting. When I first heard about it I didn’t think it was that big of a deal. It is. A little girl laying spread eagle on the floor is not art. For one its unlady like for al ittle girl to be acting like this. Children shouldn’t feel this comfortable naked in front of a lady with a camera. I would punish my children if they acted this way.
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well Wendy, i would keep you well away from my kids.</description>
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#  Wendy Says:<br />
September 26th, 2007 at 9:50 pm</p>
<p>This is absolutly disgusting. When I first heard about it I didn’t think it was that big of a deal. It is. A little girl laying spread eagle on the floor is not art. For one its unlady like for al ittle girl to be acting like this. Children shouldn’t feel this comfortable naked in front of a lady with a camera. I would punish my children if they acted this way.<br />
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<p>well Wendy, i would keep you well away from my kids.</p>
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		<title>By: totally free</title>
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		<dc:creator>totally free</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 16:35:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Negative thoughts Life, they may control? Can even say, girls just playing and left to entertain themselves. nothing wrong, just totally free.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Negative thoughts Life, they may control? Can even say, girls just playing and left to entertain themselves. nothing wrong, just totally free.</p>
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		<title>By: jj</title>
		<link>http://hitsusa.com/blog/140/klara-and-edda-belly-dancing/comment-page-6/#comment-19207</link>
		<dc:creator>jj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 04:53:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My sister learned belly dancing by watching videos.

So, practice it as you watch videos!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My sister learned belly dancing by watching videos.</p>
<p>So, practice it as you watch videos!</p>
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		<title>By: omg y r there so many comments</title>
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		<dc:creator>omg y r there so many comments</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 11:10:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1.  i dont think it&#039;s porn, but it is really fucking weird for someone to buy a picture of naked kids.
2.  i don&#039;t think this constitites as art, but that&#039;s a matter of opinion, some people think paint randomly splashed on a canvas is art.  what assholes.
3.  all the people talking shit to the photographers should fuck off, so what if they&#039;re amateurs.  and when you ask why you haven&#039;t seen their photos, it&#039;s because there was a major public pms about it, that doesn&#039;t make their photos bad
4.  i bet that you (uptight photographer haters) would never in a million years have looked at this photo if it wasn&#039;t in the press</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1.  i dont think it&#8217;s porn, but it is really fucking weird for someone to buy a picture of naked kids.<br />
2.  i don&#8217;t think this constitites as art, but that&#8217;s a matter of opinion, some people think paint randomly splashed on a canvas is art.  what assholes.<br />
3.  all the people talking shit to the photographers should fuck off, so what if they&#8217;re amateurs.  and when you ask why you haven&#8217;t seen their photos, it&#8217;s because there was a major public pms about it, that doesn&#8217;t make their photos bad<br />
4.  i bet that you (uptight photographer haters) would never in a million years have looked at this photo if it wasn&#8217;t in the press</p>
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		<title>By: Denise</title>
		<link>http://hitsusa.com/blog/140/klara-and-edda-belly-dancing/comment-page-6/#comment-18468</link>
		<dc:creator>Denise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 16:31:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its porn - it is not acceptable.</description>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://hitsusa.com/blog/140/klara-and-edda-belly-dancing/comment-page-6/#comment-18443</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 01:20:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Am I being picky to suggest that one of the girls may be belly dancing, but the other is limbo dancing?

And limbo dancuing, when done by big girls, is MEANT to be sexy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Am I being picky to suggest that one of the girls may be belly dancing, but the other is limbo dancing?</p>
<p>And limbo dancuing, when done by big girls, is MEANT to be sexy.</p>
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		<title>By: angry</title>
		<link>http://hitsusa.com/blog/140/klara-and-edda-belly-dancing/comment-page-6/#comment-17649</link>
		<dc:creator>angry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 01:09:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i am a super open minded person, but this pick goes way to far. there is no creativity at all, no cool lighting, no interesting background, just 2 little girls doing thing that adults do when they bellydance.
bellydancing is an erotic art form for adults,especially if they are nude.

i find this picture upsetting and feel that it shouldnt even be displayed on the internet at all.
For those of you who demand to see it, or think its ok, ask yourself...why do you want to see a child nude.
are there parent, are you a tribal native, or are you just a freak that has no life!

leave the kids alone and take this shit down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i am a super open minded person, but this pick goes way to far. there is no creativity at all, no cool lighting, no interesting background, just 2 little girls doing thing that adults do when they bellydance.<br />
bellydancing is an erotic art form for adults,especially if they are nude.</p>
<p>i find this picture upsetting and feel that it shouldnt even be displayed on the internet at all.<br />
For those of you who demand to see it, or think its ok, ask yourself&#8230;why do you want to see a child nude.<br />
are there parent, are you a tribal native, or are you just a freak that has no life!</p>
<p>leave the kids alone and take this shit down.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 01:30:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well, as far as art, it is not to me, it is a bad photo, and probably should have been tossed. And if it is appropriate or not, I would say it might be ok for the back of the family album, but not for mainstream society.  I must also point out, this society is sex everything.  I think we need to rethink our conservativeness a bit, but not get carried away at two kids playing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well, as far as art, it is not to me, it is a bad photo, and probably should have been tossed. And if it is appropriate or not, I would say it might be ok for the back of the family album, but not for mainstream society.  I must also point out, this society is sex everything.  I think we need to rethink our conservativeness a bit, but not get carried away at two kids playing.</p>
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		<title>By: Sophy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sophy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 16:48:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nan Goldin is one of the greatest female photographers of the century. She shows it as she see&#039;s it. If showing a naked child in an artistic way is porn, surely the thousands of paintings depicting nude children should be considered the same? 
Of course some people will use this in the wrong way, as with most things; someone will use it badly. 
If nothing else this picture has got people talking and that&#039;s what art is about, creating opinions and challenging society.

In response to:

#261: &quot;I honestly think this photo is stupid! What is Art about it? It figures a GAY person would have a photo like this in their house. Gay people are really f ‘ed up in the head. They always have to do something to put themselves in the spotlight and then if you disagree with them you are considered to be ‘backward’ or ‘not politically correct’. I am so sick of the Rosie and Elton type freaks. Real Art is Van Gogh or Picasso or Monet not this CREEPY photo.&quot;


Art has nothing to do with sexuality of any people concerned (photographer, subject, owner etc) and that point is just as harmful as the photograph. Society has moved on since the artists you mentioned, and of course us artists still pay huge reference to the classics, but the world has changed since paintings of cherubs and Jesus. Get with the times, and get out of your box more often!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nan Goldin is one of the greatest female photographers of the century. She shows it as she see&#8217;s it. If showing a naked child in an artistic way is porn, surely the thousands of paintings depicting nude children should be considered the same?<br />
Of course some people will use this in the wrong way, as with most things; someone will use it badly.<br />
If nothing else this picture has got people talking and that&#8217;s what art is about, creating opinions and challenging society.</p>
<p>In response to:</p>
<p>#261: &#8220;I honestly think this photo is stupid! What is Art about it? It figures a GAY person would have a photo like this in their house. Gay people are really f ‘ed up in the head. They always have to do something to put themselves in the spotlight and then if you disagree with them you are considered to be ‘backward’ or ‘not politically correct’. I am so sick of the Rosie and Elton type freaks. Real Art is Van Gogh or Picasso or Monet not this CREEPY photo.&#8221;</p>
<p>Art has nothing to do with sexuality of any people concerned (photographer, subject, owner etc) and that point is just as harmful as the photograph. Society has moved on since the artists you mentioned, and of course us artists still pay huge reference to the classics, but the world has changed since paintings of cherubs and Jesus. Get with the times, and get out of your box more often!</p>
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		<title>By: Very Concerned</title>
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		<dc:creator>Very Concerned</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 03:20:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seriously, take that picture off, the one displaying a pedophilic act. That is seriously disturbing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seriously, take that picture off, the one displaying a pedophilic act. That is seriously disturbing.</p>
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		<title>By: joey ramos</title>
		<link>http://hitsusa.com/blog/140/klara-and-edda-belly-dancing/comment-page-6/#comment-15753</link>
		<dc:creator>joey ramos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 22:46:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>THIS IS REALLY SAD AND THE FATHER IS STUPID TOO
FOR TAKING THIS PICTURE.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>THIS IS REALLY SAD AND THE FATHER IS STUPID TOO<br />
FOR TAKING THIS PICTURE.</p>
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		<title>By: joey ramos</title>
		<link>http://hitsusa.com/blog/140/klara-and-edda-belly-dancing/comment-page-6/#comment-15405</link>
		<dc:creator>joey ramos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 16:59:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is disturbing to the public and to the media
kids in these age should never be teached about porn.</description>
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kids in these age should never be teached about porn.</p>
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		<title>By: 4nim4</title>
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		<dc:creator>4nim4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 11:37:54 +0000</pubDate>
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#  Shayla Said:
That absolutely IS child pornography. You or I may be able to see something non-sexual in that, but there are way too many pedophiles in the world for it to be OK to exploit a child like this.
==============

Meaning that in creating your population of scapegoats --I mean pedophiles-- you are able to convince yourself of your own sanctity, deflect responsibility for your own base instincts elsewhere, and save those charming, sexy --i mean innocent-- little girls from their horrible fate.

Well i would call your attitude sanctimonious, and i would not call it harmless.</description>
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#  Shayla Said:<br />
That absolutely IS child pornography. You or I may be able to see something non-sexual in that, but there are way too many pedophiles in the world for it to be OK to exploit a child like this.<br />
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<p>Meaning that in creating your population of scapegoats &#8211;I mean pedophiles&#8211; you are able to convince yourself of your own sanctity, deflect responsibility for your own base instincts elsewhere, and save those charming, sexy &#8211;i mean innocent&#8211; little girls from their horrible fate.</p>
<p>Well i would call your attitude sanctimonious, and i would not call it harmless.</p>
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		<title>By: Zareste</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zareste</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 16:07:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t find it particularly attractive.  I wonder why the police did.</description>
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		<title>By: TrueParent</title>
		<link>http://hitsusa.com/blog/140/klara-and-edda-belly-dancing/comment-page-6/#comment-12711</link>
		<dc:creator>TrueParent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 18:37:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot; Corrected &quot;
1.Yes, oh yes. The issue is…
The view of some-one else outside of our own small selves!
In this day and age of our innocent children being the sacrifice of the wicked and depraved, shouldn’t we do everything we can to protect them from “Their” wicked, perverted view??? Not Allow or Promote that Perverted View!!!
There is also an-other point that should be noticed…
Due to the uncaring acts of “Nan Goldin and Elton John”…
These little innocent girls are now and forever “Branded” in public view.
These little girls’ innocence swept away for adult gain!
Their names, their faces, their posturing, their bodies now known to the world to be forever associated with this view of them for the rest of their lives! Just like that of that poor little girl “Darren Tuck”!
Why do think most children, who are victims of Crime, names and faces are not made public???
To PROTECT The INNOCENT! “Darren Tuck” needed to be done to receive public help, (but even the police did not post the actual video film itself- only enough to identify her face and age) but these 2 little girls’ results were the choice of “Nan Goldin and Elton John”.
Where is the “Protection” for these little girls?
Look outside of yourself a moment.
Into the real world view.
2.	
What does this photograph say? It says look! It says this must be okay because “We are calling it ART”!
We as a caring public need to say NO, Stop!
Even Hugh Heffner uses only consenting adults in his “ART” !
Even to post his pictures publicly - he is required to have public approval and then only with strict rules that must be adhered to by all involved!
Where is the childrens’ approval? -They are not old enough to consent! They are not able to know the effect of this public view of themselves!!! Especially of the long term effect on themselves!!! As I said before…
Yes, oh yes! Look at the responses to realize the true judgment. People who treasure and protect children are appalled and the pedophiles are trying to find the video!
“Nan Goldin and Elton John” did not care about the results of their actions, on These and All Children!
Especially the results on these 2 little girls, and they need to answer for them!
“Nan Goldin and Elton John” put these childrens’ Innocence in Harms Way!
And the Officials that now sit in Judgment of imoral/indecient view!
Would they want their own children seen by the general public, Like This????
This photograph depicts these children in an adult view and that is WRONG and Harmful to These and All Children!
What wicked adult that views this photo - won’t have this image in their minds’ eye when they view other children in public??? Maybe your own child…Maybe your own neighbor…
Would you want own your children “Publicly Viewed Like This?”
3.	
The matter of this photograph goes -in reality goes Way Beyond One Individuals’ View!!!
That very protection is what we as a Caring, Responsible Adults are trying to do, by Protesting this and all Subject Matter like this!!!!
Not to allow any child be viewed, even possibly, as a sexual view!!!!
Step outside yourself and look at the public harm this does!!
WHERE would it STOP???
“Live and Let Live” does not work here because it is really a matter of “Live and Let Die”!
4.	
Do we as a society turn our heads and just let a Childs‘ innocence die? Maybe just certain children?
Our Duty is to protect the children - who are (as a race of human beings) our only true gift of ourselves - the children who are our next generation of adults!!!!
Do we let them be damaged and sacrificed??? Yes, Damaged and Sacrificed!!!
I Know. I was a child victim. Everyway imaginable.
My siblings at that time were not touched with the same harm but they still suffered, and even tried to protect me (imagine children protecting another child because the adults wouldn’t) because I suffered and they even begged me to take them with me when I fled.
I thought they would be safer when I would no longer be there.
But I was wrong, for when I left, the adults turned on them!
I had escaped but they were still trapped!
So I stopped the adults by reporting them!
I (still a child) had to protect the children because the adults wouldn’t!

5.	So I know that this doesn’t stop till some-one stops it!
That very protection is what we as a Caring, Responsible Adults are Supposed to do!
Not just for ourselves, but for all!!!
Here is a Question for you to ponder…
We have Crossing Guards responsible for getting our children safely across the street, not because we as parents haven’t taught them the rules of the child’s own crossing safety but to stop other drivers who may be careless and uncaring of our childs’ safety crossing those streets!
Do we as a parent’s say that I cross my own children, so the Crossing Guards for all children, are not necessary???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; Corrected &#8221;<br />
1.Yes, oh yes. The issue is…<br />
The view of some-one else outside of our own small selves!<br />
In this day and age of our innocent children being the sacrifice of the wicked and depraved, shouldn’t we do everything we can to protect them from “Their” wicked, perverted view??? Not Allow or Promote that Perverted View!!!<br />
There is also an-other point that should be noticed…<br />
Due to the uncaring acts of “Nan Goldin and Elton John”…<br />
These little innocent girls are now and forever “Branded” in public view.<br />
These little girls’ innocence swept away for adult gain!<br />
Their names, their faces, their posturing, their bodies now known to the world to be forever associated with this view of them for the rest of their lives! Just like that of that poor little girl “Darren Tuck”!<br />
Why do think most children, who are victims of Crime, names and faces are not made public???<br />
To PROTECT The INNOCENT! “Darren Tuck” needed to be done to receive public help, (but even the police did not post the actual video film itself- only enough to identify her face and age) but these 2 little girls’ results were the choice of “Nan Goldin and Elton John”.<br />
Where is the “Protection” for these little girls?<br />
Look outside of yourself a moment.<br />
Into the real world view.<br />
2.<br />
What does this photograph say? It says look! It says this must be okay because “We are calling it ART”!<br />
We as a caring public need to say NO, Stop!<br />
Even Hugh Heffner uses only consenting adults in his “ART” !<br />
Even to post his pictures publicly &#8211; he is required to have public approval and then only with strict rules that must be adhered to by all involved!<br />
Where is the childrens’ approval? -They are not old enough to consent! They are not able to know the effect of this public view of themselves!!! Especially of the long term effect on themselves!!! As I said before…<br />
Yes, oh yes! Look at the responses to realize the true judgment. People who treasure and protect children are appalled and the pedophiles are trying to find the video!<br />
“Nan Goldin and Elton John” did not care about the results of their actions, on These and All Children!<br />
Especially the results on these 2 little girls, and they need to answer for them!<br />
“Nan Goldin and Elton John” put these childrens’ Innocence in Harms Way!<br />
And the Officials that now sit in Judgment of imoral/indecient view!<br />
Would they want their own children seen by the general public, Like This????<br />
This photograph depicts these children in an adult view and that is WRONG and Harmful to These and All Children!<br />
What wicked adult that views this photo &#8211; won’t have this image in their minds’ eye when they view other children in public??? Maybe your own child…Maybe your own neighbor…<br />
Would you want own your children “Publicly Viewed Like This?”<br />
3.<br />
The matter of this photograph goes -in reality goes Way Beyond One Individuals’ View!!!<br />
That very protection is what we as a Caring, Responsible Adults are trying to do, by Protesting this and all Subject Matter like this!!!!<br />
Not to allow any child be viewed, even possibly, as a sexual view!!!!<br />
Step outside yourself and look at the public harm this does!!<br />
WHERE would it STOP???<br />
“Live and Let Live” does not work here because it is really a matter of “Live and Let Die”!<br />
4.<br />
Do we as a society turn our heads and just let a Childs‘ innocence die? Maybe just certain children?<br />
Our Duty is to protect the children &#8211; who are (as a race of human beings) our only true gift of ourselves &#8211; the children who are our next generation of adults!!!!<br />
Do we let them be damaged and sacrificed??? Yes, Damaged and Sacrificed!!!<br />
I Know. I was a child victim. Everyway imaginable.<br />
My siblings at that time were not touched with the same harm but they still suffered, and even tried to protect me (imagine children protecting another child because the adults wouldn’t) because I suffered and they even begged me to take them with me when I fled.<br />
I thought they would be safer when I would no longer be there.<br />
But I was wrong, for when I left, the adults turned on them!<br />
I had escaped but they were still trapped!<br />
So I stopped the adults by reporting them!<br />
I (still a child) had to protect the children because the adults wouldn’t!</p>
<p>5.	So I know that this doesn’t stop till some-one stops it!<br />
That very protection is what we as a Caring, Responsible Adults are Supposed to do!<br />
Not just for ourselves, but for all!!!<br />
Here is a Question for you to ponder…<br />
We have Crossing Guards responsible for getting our children safely across the street, not because we as parents haven’t taught them the rules of the child’s own crossing safety but to stop other drivers who may be careless and uncaring of our childs’ safety crossing those streets!<br />
Do we as a parent’s say that I cross my own children, so the Crossing Guards for all children, are not necessary???</p>
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		<title>By: PATCHES</title>
		<link>http://hitsusa.com/blog/140/klara-and-edda-belly-dancing/comment-page-6/#comment-11543</link>
		<dc:creator>PATCHES</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2008 23:31:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PJ. With respect. Images like this can and do cause hurt/pain/re-emergence of memories that some people have tried to deal with with much suffering. I believe some people that have commented on here say that it harks back to there own abuse as children. 

Once again I don&#039;t need images to bring about debate about child/sex abuse. I am a father of a 19 year old daughter and I would have been very angry/suspicious of someone that asked if they could take a photo of my daughter like this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PJ. With respect. Images like this can and do cause hurt/pain/re-emergence of memories that some people have tried to deal with with much suffering. I believe some people that have commented on here say that it harks back to there own abuse as children. </p>
<p>Once again I don&#8217;t need images to bring about debate about child/sex abuse. I am a father of a 19 year old daughter and I would have been very angry/suspicious of someone that asked if they could take a photo of my daughter like this.</p>
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		<title>By: PJ</title>
		<link>http://hitsusa.com/blog/140/klara-and-edda-belly-dancing/comment-page-6/#comment-11208</link>
		<dc:creator>PJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 01:00:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PATCHES, if we start banning things based on what certain mostly-hated members of society (child abusers) may think, we might as well ban virtually everything, or start asking those members of society what they think on important issues and base our laws on that - after all, if we&#039;re going to base whether a photo should be allowed or not on what a child abuser&#039;s view is, then we might as well base everything on their view.

That said, the statement &#039;What is important is that the image creates an environment for us to talk about concerns we have about images of children&#039; is stupid. All such photos do regarding child abuse is to cause people to try to get the photo banned - does, excuse my language, fuck all for a debate on child abuse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PATCHES, if we start banning things based on what certain mostly-hated members of society (child abusers) may think, we might as well ban virtually everything, or start asking those members of society what they think on important issues and base our laws on that &#8211; after all, if we&#8217;re going to base whether a photo should be allowed or not on what a child abuser&#8217;s view is, then we might as well base everything on their view.</p>
<p>That said, the statement &#8216;What is important is that the image creates an environment for us to talk about concerns we have about images of children&#8217; is stupid. All such photos do regarding child abuse is to cause people to try to get the photo banned &#8211; does, excuse my language, fuck all for a debate on child abuse.</p>
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		<title>By: PATCHES</title>
		<link>http://hitsusa.com/blog/140/klara-and-edda-belly-dancing/comment-page-6/#comment-11053</link>
		<dc:creator>PATCHES</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 14:17:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see this debate is still on-going.

A notice a few people use the old &amp; well worn excuse: 
&quot;What is important is that the image creates an environment for us to talk about concerns we have about images of children&quot; 

Well excuse me, but we already know that there are plenty of sick people out there that use &amp; abuse children, take photos &amp; video of them so that they and other like minded perverts can get sexual gratification. 

To debate this issue and to raise my concerns I don&#039;t need a so called &#039;artist&#039; taking a photo of two children to get me to think about/debate the problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see this debate is still on-going.</p>
<p>A notice a few people use the old &amp; well worn excuse:<br />
&#8220;What is important is that the image creates an environment for us to talk about concerns we have about images of children&#8221; </p>
<p>Well excuse me, but we already know that there are plenty of sick people out there that use &amp; abuse children, take photos &amp; video of them so that they and other like minded perverts can get sexual gratification. </p>
<p>To debate this issue and to raise my concerns I don&#8217;t need a so called &#8216;artist&#8217; taking a photo of two children to get me to think about/debate the problem.</p>
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		<title>By: R. Stevenson</title>
		<link>http://hitsusa.com/blog/140/klara-and-edda-belly-dancing/comment-page-6/#comment-10795</link>
		<dc:creator>R. Stevenson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 04:31:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sure if I hunt around in my family photo albums i will find photo&#039;s of me and my little brother running bare arsed across Skegness beach as a nipper.

Who knew they could be &quot;art&quot;

Don&#039;t think it&#039;s porn but do think it&#039;s a crap picture

Ta muchly</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sure if I hunt around in my family photo albums i will find photo&#8217;s of me and my little brother running bare arsed across Skegness beach as a nipper.</p>
<p>Who knew they could be &#8220;art&#8221;</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s porn but do think it&#8217;s a crap picture</p>
<p>Ta muchly</p>
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		<title>By: J Webb</title>
		<link>http://hitsusa.com/blog/140/klara-and-edda-belly-dancing/comment-page-6/#comment-10727</link>
		<dc:creator>J Webb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 00:37:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Art or pornography?  That is the question.  Whether &#039;tis nobler in the mind to suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous &#039;culture police&#039; or to take arms against the puritan views or morality...

This photo is of nothing more than two girls innocently playing together, which is clear.  Not as clear are the photographer’s intentions or motivations.  Does she know her subjects?  Are they family friends?  Why did she take the photo?  I am not familiar with the photographer’s history or other subjects/photos.  But I am familiar with subject composition.  And this photo does not appear to be suitably composed to suggest it is art.  The bright flash has thrown a shadow on the back wall.  The background distracts from the subjects… basically it just looks like a hastily taken snapshot a parent would have taken with their Kodak.  I don’t consider this to have any intrinsic characteristics of what would normally be considered ‘art’.  And simply because the photographer classifies herself as an ‘artist’ (or is even widely considered as such) and sells her work does not make this photograph art.  Be that as it may, it’s not pornography either, as I’m sure the photographer had no prurient interest when she took the photo.  But it might be considered so by someone viewing it with prurient interests.  Why would someone other than the parents of these two girls be interested in this photo anyway?  Why would they allow them to be the subject of this composition?  One might say that the subject of a piece of art is rarely of any interest to the vast majority of its viewers.  And therefore any subject should be considered art within its own objective conceptuality.  In other words, this photograph must be considered art.  Whether it is &#039;artistic&#039; is another matter.

One should consider this photo a picture of two young girls that only their parent should be interested in.  Even if I was familiar with the artist and her work, and I appreciated her aesthetics, composition, subjectivity, or style, I would not be interested in this photo.  Anyone who is interested in it is kidding himself (or trying to convince others) that he is an aficionado of the ‘artist’.  Or he’s simply a pervert.  You be the judge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Art or pornography?  That is the question.  Whether &#8217;tis nobler in the mind to suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous &#8216;culture police&#8217; or to take arms against the puritan views or morality&#8230;</p>
<p>This photo is of nothing more than two girls innocently playing together, which is clear.  Not as clear are the photographer’s intentions or motivations.  Does she know her subjects?  Are they family friends?  Why did she take the photo?  I am not familiar with the photographer’s history or other subjects/photos.  But I am familiar with subject composition.  And this photo does not appear to be suitably composed to suggest it is art.  The bright flash has thrown a shadow on the back wall.  The background distracts from the subjects… basically it just looks like a hastily taken snapshot a parent would have taken with their Kodak.  I don’t consider this to have any intrinsic characteristics of what would normally be considered ‘art’.  And simply because the photographer classifies herself as an ‘artist’ (or is even widely considered as such) and sells her work does not make this photograph art.  Be that as it may, it’s not pornography either, as I’m sure the photographer had no prurient interest when she took the photo.  But it might be considered so by someone viewing it with prurient interests.  Why would someone other than the parents of these two girls be interested in this photo anyway?  Why would they allow them to be the subject of this composition?  One might say that the subject of a piece of art is rarely of any interest to the vast majority of its viewers.  And therefore any subject should be considered art within its own objective conceptuality.  In other words, this photograph must be considered art.  Whether it is &#8216;artistic&#8217; is another matter.</p>
<p>One should consider this photo a picture of two young girls that only their parent should be interested in.  Even if I was familiar with the artist and her work, and I appreciated her aesthetics, composition, subjectivity, or style, I would not be interested in this photo.  Anyone who is interested in it is kidding himself (or trying to convince others) that he is an aficionado of the ‘artist’.  Or he’s simply a pervert.  You be the judge.</p>
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		<title>By: J. Banner</title>
		<link>http://hitsusa.com/blog/140/klara-and-edda-belly-dancing/comment-page-6/#comment-10348</link>
		<dc:creator>J. Banner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 03:22:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I seem to remember a great deal of upset when a young lady showed a nipple at a football game about a year ago.  And yet no comment about the standing girl in the photo showing her nipple.  Come on prudes, you are missing out on half the fun.  Get busy complaining about the nipple!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I seem to remember a great deal of upset when a young lady showed a nipple at a football game about a year ago.  And yet no comment about the standing girl in the photo showing her nipple.  Come on prudes, you are missing out on half the fun.  Get busy complaining about the nipple!</p>
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		<title>By: Vegas Sculptor&#8217;s Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Young Nude. Art Or Crime?</title>
		<link>http://hitsusa.com/blog/140/klara-and-edda-belly-dancing/comment-page-6/#comment-10292</link>
		<dc:creator>Vegas Sculptor&#8217;s Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Young Nude. Art Or Crime?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2008 20:12:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Vegas Sculptor&#8217;s Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Nudity. Is It Art?</title>
		<link>http://hitsusa.com/blog/140/klara-and-edda-belly-dancing/comment-page-6/#comment-10014</link>
		<dc:creator>Vegas Sculptor&#8217;s Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Nudity. Is It Art?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Dec 2007 20:19:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: PJ</title>
		<link>http://hitsusa.com/blog/140/klara-and-edda-belly-dancing/comment-page-6/#comment-8812</link>
		<dc:creator>PJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2007 05:26:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>O.K. I don&#039;t know about UK law on this despite being from the UK (the actual Child Pornography legislation is too vague) but under U.S. law it could be considered child pornography.

Although there is a very legitimate reason for the &quot;pose&quot; (though obviously it&#039;s not posed, the bottom child just happened to be positioned like that during the belly dancing), it could count as a sexual pose under U.S. law. 

However (though this probably wouldn&#039;t matter in the U.S. where they seem to like to stick to the letter of the law rather than common sense), due to the obvious reason for the positioning of the child (they just happened to be like that whilst playing when the photo was taken), it&#039;s NOT actually pornographic - it&#039;s just kids playing and one just happened to be posed in a way that puts focus on her vagina. Fortunately U.K. judges and prosecutors when it comes to things like this seem have some common sense (shame they don&#039;t seem to have any sense in other areas of law though).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>O.K. I don&#8217;t know about UK law on this despite being from the UK (the actual Child Pornography legislation is too vague) but under U.S. law it could be considered child pornography.</p>
<p>Although there is a very legitimate reason for the &#8220;pose&#8221; (though obviously it&#8217;s not posed, the bottom child just happened to be positioned like that during the belly dancing), it could count as a sexual pose under U.S. law. </p>
<p>However (though this probably wouldn&#8217;t matter in the U.S. where they seem to like to stick to the letter of the law rather than common sense), due to the obvious reason for the positioning of the child (they just happened to be like that whilst playing when the photo was taken), it&#8217;s NOT actually pornographic &#8211; it&#8217;s just kids playing and one just happened to be posed in a way that puts focus on her vagina. Fortunately U.K. judges and prosecutors when it comes to things like this seem have some common sense (shame they don&#8217;t seem to have any sense in other areas of law though).</p>
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		<title>By: mricp</title>
		<link>http://hitsusa.com/blog/140/klara-and-edda-belly-dancing/comment-page-6/#comment-8270</link>
		<dc:creator>mricp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 23:27:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I honestly think this photo is stupid! What is Art about it? It figures a GAY person would have a photo like this in their house. Gay people are really f &#039;ed up in the head. They always have to do something to put themselves in the spotlight and then if you disagree with them you are considered to be &#039;backward&#039; or &#039;not politically correct&#039;. I am so sick of the Rosie and Elton type freaks. Real Art is Van Gogh or Picasso or Monet not this CREEPY photo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I honestly think this photo is stupid! What is Art about it? It figures a GAY person would have a photo like this in their house. Gay people are really f &#8216;ed up in the head. They always have to do something to put themselves in the spotlight and then if you disagree with them you are considered to be &#8216;backward&#8217; or &#8216;not politically correct&#8217;. I am so sick of the Rosie and Elton type freaks. Real Art is Van Gogh or Picasso or Monet not this CREEPY photo.</p>
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		<title>By: Penny</title>
		<link>http://hitsusa.com/blog/140/klara-and-edda-belly-dancing/comment-page-6/#comment-5920</link>
		<dc:creator>Penny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 01:50:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Goldin had a vast collection of similar images would this be regarded as child pornography? I think so. But the fact that this was one image, to be read in context with the rest of the exhibition, highlights its artistic qualities and the documentatiom of the happening of the girls playing together.

Granted the artist knew what she was doing in order to emote controversy; this should make us consider the state of the art world today and it&#039;s consumer instead of mud-slinging.
There&#039;s plenty of reasons why the piece was initially impounded and there are reasons for why it was returned, which need to be accepted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Goldin had a vast collection of similar images would this be regarded as child pornography? I think so. But the fact that this was one image, to be read in context with the rest of the exhibition, highlights its artistic qualities and the documentatiom of the happening of the girls playing together.</p>
<p>Granted the artist knew what she was doing in order to emote controversy; this should make us consider the state of the art world today and it&#8217;s consumer instead of mud-slinging.<br />
There&#8217;s plenty of reasons why the piece was initially impounded and there are reasons for why it was returned, which need to be accepted.</p>
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		<title>By: cath.photographer</title>
		<link>http://hitsusa.com/blog/140/klara-and-edda-belly-dancing/comment-page-6/#comment-4606</link>
		<dc:creator>cath.photographer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 08:12:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is not art, and it&#039;s not good photography either!  Any photographer with a social conscious would not publish that as art.  Yes, it might have been an innocent moment to those children, but it not an innocent action by showing it to anyone.  If the little girl was laying in a different angle where her genitals were not showing then maybe I could say it was art. Anyone who likes this photo is obviously a pervert, was probably mollested as a child, and will probably molest children themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is not art, and it&#8217;s not good photography either!  Any photographer with a social conscious would not publish that as art.  Yes, it might have been an innocent moment to those children, but it not an innocent action by showing it to anyone.  If the little girl was laying in a different angle where her genitals were not showing then maybe I could say it was art. Anyone who likes this photo is obviously a pervert, was probably mollested as a child, and will probably molest children themselves.</p>
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		<dc:creator>&#187; Klara and Edda Belly Dancing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 13:10:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: D</title>
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		<dc:creator>D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 21:50:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe Nan Goldin to be an excellent artist and photographer. Her photographs deal with issues that remain taboo and uneasy for some of us to deal with. I believe she took the photograph knowing that, if exhibited, it would curse controversy and disruption to those who do not wish to deal with such issues. If you like the image or not  is not important. What is important is that the image creates an environment for us to talk about concerns we have about images of children.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe Nan Goldin to be an excellent artist and photographer. Her photographs deal with issues that remain taboo and uneasy for some of us to deal with. I believe she took the photograph knowing that, if exhibited, it would curse controversy and disruption to those who do not wish to deal with such issues. If you like the image or not  is not important. What is important is that the image creates an environment for us to talk about concerns we have about images of children.</p>
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		<title>By: PATCHES</title>
		<link>http://hitsusa.com/blog/140/klara-and-edda-belly-dancing/comment-page-6/#comment-3564</link>
		<dc:creator>PATCHES</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 22:11:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I repeat what I said in comment *168

..... I believe the woman that took the photo is a lesbian. Now I have concerns about this photo from that point of view......

This woman damn well knew what she was doing when she took this photo. 


..... One more point: Why on earth would the children’s parents have agreed to letting their children be photographed in this way? I know if it had been my kids I would have been disgusted. I agree whole heartedly with comment * 34 “…All involved should be ashamed…”

The parents of the two girls should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves

One thing she is very good at is self-publicity through controversy. She&#039;s certainly not a good photographer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I repeat what I said in comment *168</p>
<p>&#8230;.. I believe the woman that took the photo is a lesbian. Now I have concerns about this photo from that point of view&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>This woman damn well knew what she was doing when she took this photo. </p>
<p>&#8230;.. One more point: Why on earth would the children’s parents have agreed to letting their children be photographed in this way? I know if it had been my kids I would have been disgusted. I agree whole heartedly with comment * 34 “…All involved should be ashamed…”</p>
<p>The parents of the two girls should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves</p>
<p>One thing she is very good at is self-publicity through controversy. She&#8217;s certainly not a good photographer.</p>
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