The Oral Roberts scandal recalls previous religious scandals like Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker, but the PTL misdeeds are nothing compared to the Oral Roberts scandal.
The Oral Roberts scandal has Oral Roberts University President Richard Roberts caught up in political and financial wrongdoing and his wife, ORU Vice President Lindsay Roberts, enmeshed in late night misadventures with underage teenage boys.
Here’s what the Associated Press had to say about the Oral Roberts University scandal:
Richard Roberts is accused of illegal involvement in a local political campaign and lavish spending at donors’ expense, including numerous home remodeling projects, use of the university jet for his daughter’s senior trip to the Bahamas, and a red Mercedes convertible and a Lexus SUV for his wife, Lindsay.
Lindsay Roberts is accused of dropping tens of thousands of dollars on clothes, awarding nonacademic scholarships to friends of her children and sending scores of text messages on university-issued cell phones to people described in the lawsuit as “underage males.”
The lawsuit against Oral Roberts University was filed by three professors dismissed after they gave the school’s Board Of Regents copies of incriminating documents found by an ORU student while repairing a laptop belonging to Richard Roberts sister-in-law, Stephanie Cantese.
Oral Roberts Scandal Details
The incriminating document at the heart of the Oral Roberts scandal details dozens of alleged instances of misconduct. Among them:
- A longtime maintenance employee was fired so that an underage male “friend” of Mrs. Roberts could have his job.
- Lindsay Roberts cell-phone bills exceeded $800 per month, with hundreds of text messages sent between 1 a.m. to 3 a.m. to “underage males who had been provided phones at university expense.”
- The Oral Roberts University jet was used to take one daughter and several friends on a senior trip to Orlando and the Bahamas with the $29,411 trip being billed to the ministry as an “evangelistic function of the president.”
- Mrs. Roberts spent huge amounts on clothing purchases charged to the Oral Roberts ministry, with more than $39,000 at one Chico’s clothing store alone in less than a year, claiming “As long as I wear it once on TV, we can charge it off.” The document cites inconsistencies in clothing purchases and their actual usage on TV.
- University employees are regularly summoned to the Roberts’ home to do their daughters’ homework.
- The university maintains a stable of horses for the exclusive use of the Roberts’ three daughters.
- ORU paid for the Roberts’ home to be remodeled 11 times in the past 14 years.
You’ve got to love people like the Roberts who have no problem flouting the rules against a non-profit university participating in political campaigns and spending Oral Roberts University’s money like they were oil billionaires.
And Lindsay Roberts shameful behavior with teenage boys who are younger than her own daughters makes Jim Bakker’s romps with Jessica Hahn pale in comparison.
And that’s the latest on the Oral Roberts scandal.
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October 8th, 2007 at 3:00 pm
Talk about pure chutzpah:
10/06/2007 – Oral Roberts’ Son Says God Telling Him to Deny Scandal Charges
“Richard Roberts, son of televangelist Oral Roberts and current president of his father’s university, says he is being told by God to deny charges being laid against him by three former professors, involving political favors and personal indulgences.”
Too bad he didn’t ask to be struck dead if he was lying…
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October 9th, 2007 at 10:53 pm
This is a tragic situation and yet another betrayel of trust over financial issues. The cancers should resign, accept pensions, and plead The fith.
October 10th, 2007 at 8:52 am
That’s pretty nasty that she’s messing around with underage boys that are younger then her own daughters.
Isn’t that a sin?
Or does Linday Roberts think she has a “Get Out Of Hell Free” card?
Payback’s a bitch honey and your turn is coming soon…
October 10th, 2007 at 1:27 pm
I thought that in our country one was presumed innocent until proven guilty. The allegations against the Roberts was information taken from a laptop, by a student given to three professors who went to the board of Regents. Could there be motives behind their “revealing sin in the camp”?
. The public is licking their chops over this latest scandel involving a well known Christian family, quote ” payback is a bitch honey” let him that has not sinned cast the first stone Donna P. Why don’t we all wait and see the results of the investigation of all the people involved before we condem people to hell.
October 10th, 2007 at 1:40 pm
at first i thought maybe she was contacting the underage boys for richard!!! can you blame me?? i thought maybe he was pulling a ted haggard. but if they were really for her i think of dean wormer’s wife (animal house) and how she gets it on with the frat guys. but these boys are like in high school. how pathetic that horny woman is.
October 10th, 2007 at 2:50 pm
I hope for the sake of the true Christian community these allegations are not true. But if they are true, it just shows that the Almighty God backs up what he says in his word. Your sins will find you!!! What is hidden will be revealed!
October 11th, 2007 at 8:38 am
First let’s compare apples with apples and not apples with oranges here.
Presidents of a University with 5,000 students do not drive both a brand new Mercedes AND a brand new Lexus. They may draw a low $ 6-figure income and they definitely don’t get a corporate jet. Case in point, my alma mater, Shepherd University with a student population of around 4,000. Close enough to ORU to make a fair comparison. If we were talking West Virginia University (27K+), Virginia Tech (25K+), University of North Carolina (27K+), or any other larger school of that nature, then I would agree he needs the big $ salary and the brand new luxury cars and MAYBE the corporate jet. The problem is, we are talking a school that barely meets university status. I spent 2 years at ORU and then transferred to Shepherd to finish my degree so I know both places. (And yes, I’ve been in Richard’s house)
Now let’s compare the President of ORU with the President of Shepherd University. Richard draws an income of nearly $700K per year (even though only $140K is reported by the organization) while the President of Shepherd will be lucky to draw $200K per year. Richard lives in a house worth (before the 11 renovations) 1.5 – 2.0 million dollars while the President of Shepherd lives in the Popodicon worth $350K – $400K. (Dollar amounts are relative to the Winchester, VA housing market and not the Tulsa, OK housing market.) Richard gets free luxury cars from “donors” while the President of Shepherd must go purchase his own car out of his paycheck. Richard gets a free corporate jet while the President of Shepherd must fly commercial airlines if the situation necessitates. Richard gets to write off his clothing purchases on his taxes because he is on TV. The President of Shepherd gets no such luck.
Secondly, I attended ORU and I have seen how they treat people. At ORU I was treated like a kid and at Shepherd I was treated and given the respect as an adult. Some rules of ORU and how they enforce them.
No gays are allowed and you are not allowed have sex outside of marriage. I don’t have a problem with either rule but here is how they enforced these rules. I never saw a gay kicked out but I heard that they busted some guys on the swim team for being gay the year before. Unwed females that got pregnant? Once the university found out, they were sitting at the Tulsa bus station by the end of the day. (They only enforced this on the females as guys don’t get pregnant.) They would kick those girls out so fast it would make your head spin. I should know…I saw it happen 2 times during the 2 years I was there.
Shepherd had a policy that a student’s account had to be “paid in full” BEFORE they could start the semester. ORU had a policy of letting students start the semester without their account was “paid in full”. ORU’s enforcement of this policy was both shocking and chilling. About 1/2 way through the semester the remaining balance became due. This would always happen during a Chapel service. The RA’s would pull the “offenders” out of Chapel in front of everyone else. Next, all the RA’s would line the sidewalks (leading to another building) on both sides like Nazi storm troopers. (only they wore a shirt and tie) The “offenders” were then herded like cattle to “a room” in another building where they were forced against their will to stay until their balance was paid. If the “offending student” was still unable to come up with the money and pay their balance in full, they were doing the duffle bag drag to the Tulsa bus station by days end. I witnessed 2 of my bros. doing the duffle bag drag in the 2 years I was there.
Firing of Professors that disagree with the ORU administration? Absolutely! My sister (who was attending Grad. School at the time) witnessed one of her Profs. get fired because he disagreeded with the administration. It doesn’t surprise me that it happened again. The Roberts family surrounds themselves with “Yes Men”. As long as you agree with them, things are fine. Once you say “no”, you’re on your way to getting replaced. In my opinion, ORU is nothing more than the “Roberts’ Country Club”.
It has been 15 years since I attended ORU (’90-’92) and it seems things haven’t changed a bit. What is surprising to me is that it took this long for the truth to come out. (Did I mention that funds set aside for student projects would magically “disappear” about ½ way through the semester? Yes, they did.)
The things I saw while I was there were not necessarily criminal in nature; however, they were definitely a blatant abuse of power. Power corrupts, and Absolute power corrupts absolutely. In closing, I don’t trust the Roberts family any further than I can throw them. I will give to Shepherd University (a state run school) before I will ever give to ORU. I know too much about ORU to ever trust them again.
October 16th, 2007 at 5:59 pm
Hey guy’s lets not judge. We have highly paid professionals to investigate. I think richard Roberts is a cool President but I also think his wife may be just trying to do a Michael jackson.
October 17th, 2007 at 11:55 pm
Hi Ghost, I too attended ORU for two years in the late 80′; couple of facts to bring a little perspective: Richard is not only the president of ORU but should rather be compared to a celebrity.
For example, during his recent trip to Niger (90% Muslim country) more than 20,000 people attended the services per night– the Christian population tripled in a week in Niger! I know of missionaries that get exited if one Muslim converts in a year.
Richard did not go to the poverty stricken Niger for self enrichment. His team served more than 200,000 meals mostly to starving children, and his medical team (dentists and doctors) treated more than 1700 people.
I am not saying he is perfect, all I know is that when my wife flew to South Africa with our new born (we went over to assist in the political transition) Without knowing her, Richard stepped forward and carried her bags so that she could hold the baby. I don’t know of any other Christian or non Christian celebrity that would have lifted a finger to help her.
And regarding the “private jet” that Jet was a gift to the school with the sole purpose of flying Richard. The Donor pays for the maintenance. The school did not pay a penny for the Jet, and Richard’s use of it is 100% in compliance with the intent of the original donor.
October 20th, 2007 at 2:26 pm
Andre
Your defence is childish, emotional based, and no facts.
Richard is paid as a celebrity???
October 21st, 2007 at 1:40 am
Andre
I agree with you in asking for and needing proof. But where I come from if it waddles like a duck and it quacks like a duck, it is usually a duck.
When anyone has inappropriate relationships, via texts, etc which can be proven, because they are on the ORU bill, (which was pretty stupid on her part) they are given free cell phones with costs picked up by the school, etc. Plus a long time employee was fired and one of these kids was hired as a maintenence man in his place! (Wonder if he was the pool guy?)
In this country, when an adult has inappropriate relationships with underage children, it is criminal, and maybe Michael Jackson got away with it, but does that make it none the less criminal?
Its just real hard for me to believe that all the speical favors for these young guys don’t have strings attached. And calling or texting at 1am to 3am? Hummmmm sounds more and more like that duck to me!
Agreed, no one is perfect, but come on now!
October 21st, 2007 at 4:53 pm
Fascism is the out growth of religious fanaticism that confuses personal desire with Gods word. Just because you can read does not mean that you have the ability to understand. To believe from the bottom of you heart that you speak on behalf of God and have been entrusted to spread his word is not healthy and speaks about a self-garnishment that is a far worse offence to God, than abortion. The only thing God needs from you is for you to do the right thing for your neighbor not your own pocket book. You are not better than anyone else nor more deserving than anyone else. God gave everything you see, think, and feel, to all his creation equally. Privilege, is a man made justification for greed, hording and ownership of Gods public property in private hands. The fact that you say you work for God and then own private property, show how little you care about Gods gifts to humanity. You further desire to participate in political activism, to further your own personal worldly power, just show how little respect you have for God. You chase power, the same power that corrupted Jesus’ church, that infected the reformation and now has so poisoned Western Religious thought that Word of God is lost, just like you and your followers. Seek your salvation in good works for you neighbors’, give to our fair maidens that our now women and those that are soon to bring Gods gift of life into this world. Choose not to condemn, but condone life by supporting it, feeding it, teaching it, providing a safe place for it to grow. It is not right to attack those how are forced to choose between life and death, your responsibility to God is to keep your mouth shut about your opinions’ that you think you have read, and give all that you have, to those that have had their gifts from God stolen. Stolen by addiction, Anger, Fear, Poverty, Confusion and of course your personal Judgment on their suitability to receive Gods love, to repent means to give all that you have hoarded to those that you see as unworthy of Gods Gifts all that you have stolen from Gods creation.
October 22nd, 2007 at 9:49 pm
Whenever their is: “Separation of Church and State”, their is Mega Churches & Ministries making too much money with to many write offs!!!!!!
I know, I work for one!
October 25th, 2007 at 1:17 pm
I am just sick and tired of the “mega Chruches” making all Christrians look bad. I am just a tiny fish in a tiny pond, trying to live right, and do right. It sickens me that this sort of coruption happens.
God will not be mocked! HE will take care of this, and if I were dong what they are doing I wouldn’t feel too great right now. Of course, I do have a conscience.
Let the Lord sort it out, abuse of power and money is abuse. And if God did tell Mr. Roberts to DENY the charges being brought against him, that might be for a reason as well. However I personally think it might be his attorney and not God who told him that!!!
October 26th, 2007 at 4:24 pm
Great discussion,
Swede
Ghost compared Richard’s salary and benefits with the president of Shepherd University. You simply can’t compare the two. Whether you believe in a God that still heals or not is irrelevant. What is relevant is that Richard has a huge following. Fact: more than 100, 000 written testimonies of Americans that claim God healed them through Richard’s healing ministry. Fact: The guy attracts crowds in the tens of thousands. Sure you may think it is bogus, heck, you may even be an atheist, I don’t know–Does not matter. There are plenty of celebrities with huge followings that you or I won’t agree with– this is what makes America great.
The mistake: Non profit tax benefits. I am sure that the guy donating the airplane cooked the books with the donation so that Uncle Sam ultimately paid for the plane.
There is no question that Richard and his wife took fully advantage of these tax write-offs through the University. In other words, instead of taking out a larger taxable income, they took all these perks. This was and is a mistake but not necessarily wrong. I am convinced that his status as an American celebrity fully justifies his income and perks but only as part of a taxable income package. I did not attend my Law School because of the President of the school. However, a large percentage of students attending Oral Roberts University attend that school because of the ministry of Oral and Richard Roberts–this is what makes this university rather unique from other schools and his benefits should be judged within that context.
October 28th, 2007 at 7:28 pm
Sure, but does it make him or his wife above the law?
October 29th, 2007 at 8:35 am
Just read the documents filed in court. (Tulsa World).
Accusations seem to be pretty well documented. The stated behaviors seem to be pretty well typical,as well
as the “tactics”.
Same thing went on in the 70’s and 80’s. Books were
written and subsequently squashed!
Any body remember the typewriters in the river?
October 29th, 2007 at 9:37 pm
Paula, no of cause it does not place him or his wife above the law. Also Richard should not be blamed for any misdeeds of his wife– vice-versa.
Like I stated, a potential legal problem that Richard may face is with the IRS. However, I am sure he can legally justify most of the perks mentioned in the complaint.
I do not understand Lindsay’s behavior. It depends in a large part on the nature of the relationship. It seems that the kid was homeless and without anybody caring for the kid. She may have sort of adopted him. I don’t know. But her actions do not necessarily mean that she had any kind of sexual relations with the kid. Time will tell as the case progress. I do believe she has invested a lot of her life into the community and deserves the benefit of the doubt—at least for now. And if she in fact had sexual relations with the kid, she should be prosecuted to the full extend of the law.
October 29th, 2007 at 10:05 pm
Paula, also, I do agree with you, and I am sure Lindsay would agree with us, that the appearance of evil is almost worst than evil itself–because you get accused of engaging in evil even though you may be completely innocent—how be it naïve. Think about it: if there were hard evidence, she would have been arrested by now or at least been under investigation. As I understand it, there is only an unrelated civil case pending. No criminal charges had been filed, or any evidence that she is currently under criminal investigation.
October 29th, 2007 at 10:10 pm
I agree with Andre, concerning Lindsay! It sound’s as thou she was trying to mentor these boys. I believe, those in Christian authority should mentor other Christians of the same sex! Because it prevents this type of situation from happening. {Math. 10 : 26}.
October 29th, 2007 at 11:21 pm
Not necessarily wrong? If it is not necessarliy wrong, it is not necessarily right either. Last time I checked we were called to live “right by all men as much as it is possible”. Making a habit of living in the not necessarily wrong/right gets people in trouble…I don’t care who you are.
Let’s see…Stretching the truth. Not telling the whole truth. Not exactly telling the truth. Withholding the truth. Denying the truth. Not exactly lying. Bluffing. Lying. It all sound the same to me. I don’t care how you want to candy coat it.
I’m not saying that Richard has never done anything good…the problem is, he is nowhere close to the “Golden Boy” that he is held up to be on TV. With that being said…
Richard a Celebrity! What ever….. If he is a celebrity then he needs to go to Hollywood instead of the ministry. You’re missing the point of why all those people came to hear him preach. They came to hear the word of God…not see a Celebrity. They came because they were fed and got medical treatment. They could care less about a Celebrity.
In addition to that, hunger is a very powerful force. In that situation, starving people will agree to anything someone says as long as they get the food they came for. The real question is…how many stayed true after they left? The fact on that is probably more like 3% or less. Granted…1 person saved is worth even more effort than that, but my point is you are blowing smoke behind the numbers (just like Oral and Richard always did) to make the final results sound better than they really were. I’ve heard the same line of BS when I attended school there and Oral and Richard went on the same type of trip. With all the numbers that Oral and Richard alone have pull out of Africa since I have known them since the early 80’s…There shouldn’t be a Muslim left in Africa.
I don’t care what you call him, he is in the ministry…not Hollywood (Even though they are acting like Hollywood). People give donations to ORU and OREA out of their hard earned money and expect it to be put to good use. It is not.
The fact is, I ran across a charitable organization rating service that rates all charities/ministries. Out of a possible 4/4 rating…ORU/OREA received the worst rating of a 1/4. That says a lot about a charity/ministry right there. They aren’t using the $ given to them effectively. Now if he wants to be treated like a minister or charity, lets cut that salary from 200K (University Pres.) to no more than 75K. He would scream like a stuck pig if they did that to him.
I’m sorry Richard sees himself as a Celebrity and wants to be babied like one…sounds like a personal problem to me. Last time I checked, he puts his underwear on the same way I do in the morning.
October 30th, 2007 at 9:28 am
Not necessarily wrong? If it is not necessarily wrong that means it is also not necessarily right either. Last time I checked we were suppose to “live right by all men as much as it is possible.” Making a habit of living in the not necessarily wrong or right will get anybody in trouble…I don’t care who you are.
Let’s examine this thinking further… Not necessarily true. Not exactly right. Basically true. Not the full truth. Stretching the truth. Withholding the truth. Partially true. It is mostly true. Not necessarily wrong. Not exactly wrong. Partially flawed. Partially wrong. Bluffing. Not necessarily a lie. Lying. Ya know….it all looks the same to me. I don’t care how you candy coat it.
Richard is not a Celebrity. He is in the ministry and needs to act like it for a change. If he wants to be a Celebrity, he needs to quit the ministry and go to Hollywood. 20K people per day came to hear the Word of God, not because they are “his followers”. They came because food and medical care were available. They could care less about his “Celebrity status”. With that being said, hunger is a very powerful force. Most starving people will do and/or say almost anything as long as they get the food that is being offered. (Granted…if 1 person converted and stayed that way, it was worth the effort and more.) The problem is, how many of the “converts” stayed that way after you left. Likely, no more than 5%. And being that it is a Muslim country, probably about half that number.
Now wait a minute…is that 20K new people every day or is that 20K of the same people coming back night after night. Keep in mind that they don’t have the same transportation system we do. They most likely came in on foot.
What is my point? Oral and Richard have been going on these Africa trips for as long as I can remember. (30+ years) You can blow smoke behind the numbers all you want to. It really comes down to effectiveness. With the numbers that Oral and Richard alone have (supposedly) been putting up over the past 30 years, there shouldn’t be a Muslim left in Africa. With as many brick heads as we have in the Army, even they are smart enough to know that “if it ain’t working, change your tactics.” The math they are using looks like military math anyway. 1 chicken + 2 donkeys + 1 water buffalo = 25 enemy KIA.
I’m not saying that Richard has never done anything good. The problem is, he is far from the “Golden boy” everyone makes him out to be.
Now with the ministry in mind…he is the head of a non-profit organization, not a corporation or a Celebrity. (ORU/OREA) People aren’t buying a product from ORU. They are donating their hard earned cash that they really need to feed and cloth their children and pay the electric bill for this month. But instead they give it to his organization. They better darn sight be stretching the most out of every dollar. Richard makes a mockery of the donors by telling them to “stretch” this month and give to the ministry while he, after he gets the money, lets his wife go on a $30K shopping spree at one store. That is a waste of the donors’ limited funds, not fiscally responsibility.
Remember after 9-11 when the firefighters would carry boots around at stoplights for the victims of 9-11? All that money was then donated to the Red Cross. Now the Red Cross never had a “fund” specifically designated for “the victims of 9-11”. So they put the money in their general fund even though they knowingly received it as being for the 9-11 victims. Do you remember what happened when that hit the public? PEOPLE WERE INFURIATED! Even Congress started weighing in on the matter. They did eventually create the fund and put the money in there that had been donated. But in our case, since Richard is a “Celebrity” (televangelist) who just happens to be in charge of a charitable organization, he can do the same thing (in principle) and it is OK? Tell me another one because I’m not falling for it.
Since you don’t like comparing Richard to a University Pres. Lets compare him to what he really is…the head of a charitable organization. Now let’s cut that $200K salary to $75K max. Most “heads” of charitable organizations want to give the most possible to the organization and it’s outreach. Some of them work a second job to help make this happen. Not Richard. He would squeal like a stuck pig. He would rather see the ministry go down the tubes than take a pay cut from the $700K he alone is getting.
I ran across a charitable organization rating agency about 2 weeks ago. http://www.charitynavigator.org/ They rate all charities/ministries from the Red Cross to soup kitchens. Out of a possible 4 star rating, OREA achieved a 1 star rating. That is not the worst possible rating that OREA could earn, but to get any worse would mean to be going in the red. Both the Red Cross and the National Christian Foundation pull in 4 star ratings. Both Back to the Bible (3 star) and Grace to You (4 star) pull in better ratings as well. That says a lot about an organization and the lack of fiscal responsibility. If it looks like a duck, acts like a duck, and smells like a duck….there is no amount of smoke that you can blow on the situation to convince me that it is really a turtle.
Let it be known that I am not “judging” Richard. That is not for me (or anyone else) to do. At the same time, I can say that it is wrong for a President of a University or head of a charitable organization to do XYZ. I am not judging his faith. I am looking at his ACTIONS and calling it the way I see it.
November 1st, 2007 at 9:20 pm
Ghost, what do you mean you are not judging Richard? You entire dissortation is motivated by hurt and dissapointment.
November 1st, 2007 at 10:25 pm
Time for some facts:
Richard earns the following:
181,469 President of ORU
100,000 Vice President of City Plex
41,530 Oral Roberts Ministries
But according to Charity navigator he receives 105,617 when one includes his expense account. However, this amount is still less than 1 percent of the expenses of the ministry (.73%). Note that the average CEO salary for religious groups is more than 4% of expenses. Richard’s income from ORM is well below the national average.
I know that Ghost liked to compare Richard to the President of Shepherds University but let’s compare Richard’s income to the CEO of Baylor School of Medicine:
$1,237,200. ORU is not only a four year school but offer several Master and Doctoral level programs.
He certainly does not sound like the duck you like to make him out to be. Why all the animosity Ghost? Remember the law suite was filed by three disgruntle x-employees.
November 2nd, 2007 at 1:31 am
Ghost
Thanks for the resource hint Charitynavigator.com.
I was amazed that charities pay almost as well as corporations. I am not sure where your 75K max figure came from. I stand corrected: You don’t have to be a celebrity to earn Richard’s income. Here is some examples that poped up when you research National Christian Foundation through the cite.
Lutheran Community Foundation received a four star rating, but the president received 162,629 in compensation (1.56%) of expenses.
National Christian Foundation, Parker–Chairman, 188,323. David Wills–President 169,879. Given the size of the expenses of this charity, the salaries are only .08% of expenses. But still the compensation in the high six figures.
Christian Community Foundation
Four Star rating John Mulder–President 125,657 (.63% of expenses.)
Peter Popoff Ministries
Three Star rating Peter Popoff–President 628,732 (3.06% of expenses)
May be you can help us out: where did the “75K max” in your ninth paragraph come from?
The bottom line is: As for the ministry (ORM), Richard’s compensation (105,617) according to charitynavigator.com is well within reason.
November 2nd, 2007 at 2:26 am
Guys: I found a great paper that discusses the Salaries of Presidents in Private Universities. http://www.ilr.cornell.edu/cheri/wp/cheri_wp58.pdf
The Median compensation package: $507,750 (Wow) 02-03 year.
The highest paid President: Lynn University less than 3000 students: A 5 million dollar compensation package!!! Richard: eat your heart out.
Maybe people are so hard on Richard because he claims to be a Christian and people expect him live by his world view– really their world view of what a Christian should look like. Just because you are a Christian–should get a substandard compensation plan and benefits?
November 14th, 2007 at 2:32 am
The Oral Roberts family is full of secrets. Like Dr.Roberts oldest son ,Ronnie, killed himself because the family was against him because he was gay. He became addicted to drugs and drinking because of the pain.
Especially when they tried to take his visitation rights away from him for his children.
It seems that clean up and honesty has begun with them. I feel that it is good.
Ryan
November 17th, 2007 at 9:51 pm
Dittos Ryan. I feel the same way b/c of what I have witnessed myself when I was there.
Take care Dude.
November 22nd, 2007 at 12:17 am
richard i do not know what or how to believe anymore and i do not know what people are really about anymore. i always thought you and wife were in the prayer tower praying for people. i hope i don’t lose my faith tod
November 29th, 2007 at 11:05 am
Oh shame on the people who were so envious and full of vengeous. What a naughty thing to speak about Lindsey, shame on them. They are grasping at anything to discredit them. These people were just waiting to pounce, with hearts of envy, just like the Pharisees and Judas, who fed on accusations to try to destroy Jesus. The jet plane was given to the Roberts freely. And Lindsey is allowed to wear nice clothes since they have a worldwide tv program, you bunch of envious nitpickers. God uses Richard Roberts mightily to speak healing in Christ to the world. The devil is busy using these busybodies to discredit God’s work. Richard Roberts has such a lovely kind-hearted spirit in him, and you can see it on his face and in his words on his tv show. GOD IS WITH YOU RICHARD AND LINDSEY. I have to laugh at satan and his evil cohorts. This is clearly coming from the pit of hell itself. Jesus said, Behold, I give you POWER to tread on serpents and scorpions and over ALL the power of the enemy. PRAISE THE NAME OF JESUS. gooooo RICHARD AND LINDSEY AND ORU !!!! GOD IS WITH YOU.
December 4th, 2007 at 9:09 pm
In Reference to the earlier topic, I work for a World known Ministry and did recieve a raise in November, after being on a wage freeze. Then 1 month later I recieved a negative Performance Appraisal. There were several pages written about me: “Slashing my Character”! Do I have any legal rights or do I have to tolerate “Abuse of Power”?
I was told by another fellow employee that if I get fired, that I would not be able to collect unemployment because it is a “Ministry Job”!
December 21st, 2007 at 5:43 pm
Do you know David O. Middlebrook? Mr. Middlebrook graduated with honors with a B.S. in Business Management from Oral Roberts University in 1985.
December 28th, 2007 at 4:21 pm
Therin lies the problem of people having faith in a person or persons leaving God out of the equation.
We have been warned and foretold of thieves in sheeps clothing. You cant honestly believe the man
hears God talking to him with his supposed direct link to how many people have a pain in their body.
Give a sane person a break It is harder for a rich man to go to Heaven than a camel to pass thru the eye of a needle. Why is that ??
December 30th, 2007 at 3:17 pm
I feel like sometimes people feel sorry for the rich and forget about the poor! [Math. 6 : 1 - 4].
January 5th, 2008 at 4:10 pm
1 John 3 : 8 ; says : He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil.
February 8th, 2008 at 12:50 am
Has this site been abandoned, should come back as ORU staff (?) being accused of 1 Billion misuse of funds…..?
February 9th, 2008 at 9:51 pm
I heard that too, Paula.
June 9th, 2008 at 12:57 pm
“From he who much is given, Much is expected.” Mr. and Mrs. Roberts are not fools they know the power of God and what he expects of them. If God feels it is necessary to take Mr. Robers out of the ORU. He certainly will not need the help of any scandal hungry tabloid to do it. “Seek and You will find.” This includes church scandals. The problem with seeking is time. If you seek too fast what you find may not be the truth.
August 21st, 2008 at 9:40 pm
This is my story. I work for Marilyn Hickey Ministries as a Prayer Warrior on Sept. 23rd, 2002. I was hired for $8.50 per hour, with no computer skills. In Nov. of 2007, the Ministry decided they could hire computer skilled people if they raised the wage to $11.25 per hour. They said; “they were forced to raise everyone else’s wage;” because of it. At that time, in Dec. they gave me a bad appraisal and have been trying to fire me ever since. Aprox. 6 months ago they made us all sign a form saying that if terminated that we would not receive uneployment. They gave me a #2 verbal warning today, based on my computer skills ONLY!!!
I tried contacting their lawyer, David Middlebrook, whom graduated from Oral Roberts University, Which I previously stated, because of the constant bulling & battering I have received from the management, supervisors, & Executive Director-Cathy Ryan, MRG.- Marsha Smith, Teleservice MRG.- Nancy Buckner, & on line supervisor- Adreinne Dolzier. Their lawyer, David Middlebrook-responded in writing that their was nothing he could do because he represented Marilyn Hickey Ministries? Please help me on this situation, as today the management said; Written Warning is next”!!!
August 27th, 2008 at 9:11 pm
Since I wrote last, I sent several letters to Pastor Marilyn concerning this issue. Even thou I have not gotten a response yet? My manager, Marsha said; “She would work with me on Keying Data, Computer Skills, Donorware, & The Product Line”. My biggest concern is when “we” The Body of Christ” lose sight of the goal. Which is ministering to hurting people & lost souls. When “the Church or Christian Ministries” become more like a “Business or Corporation,” than I feel like we lose sight of what Jesus has us here to do!
September 3rd, 2008 at 8:45 pm
I do have a learning disability, called “Dyslexia”! I told Marilyn Hickey Ministries I had Dyslexia in Jan. of 2008. Pam, in the Human Resource Dept., gave me a packet to take to a specialist to fill out to prove I have a Learning Disability, at my cost!! I could not afford Health Insurance, so I could not get it documented!
The Online Supervisor, Adrienne Dolezal, changed the format of the test, in Feb. or March of 2008, to a Reasoning or Problem Solving ; ” Product/Partnership Keying Test”! On the keying test, you read a Product/Partnership order, when the words are all “jumbled up” & “out of order”! You need to translate it on another piece of paper or worksheet, then you have exactly 20 min. to complete the test on the computer. I was scoring aprox. 64% on each test, each month since. I’m dealing with a reading disorder I have, it is associated with impairment of the ability to interpret spatial relationships or to intergrate auditory & visual information.
September 3rd, 2008 at 9:01 pm
Also, when I take a Prayer/Product call, I type in what I hear the caller say and spell back & repeat it to them! I make mistakes and correct them as quickley as possible.
I did contact The American Disability Association, because my employer is trying to discriminate against me for having a Learning Disability!! I have not yet heard back from them
September 4th, 2008 at 9:26 pm
In reference to “Learning Disabilities In The Workplace”; I was referred to: L.D.A., Learning Disabilities Association of America.
Afterall, I know that if GOD can use an illierate women named : “Harriet Tubman”, in the Underground Railroad of 1849, “GOD can use me”!
For GOD’s Word say’s in: “Ps. 139 : 14″;
I will praise You, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made;
Marvelous are Your works
And that my soul knows very well.
September 6th, 2008 at 11:12 pm
Furthermore, They do have The American’s Disabilities Act of 1990, which protects employees from discrimination in the Workplace.
Also, Marilyn Hickey Ministries did hire InService America, to take Product & Global calls for 3 months. Therefore that leaves us free to take the “Prayer Calls”! Praise God!!!!
September 9th, 2008 at 11:35 am
Nevertheless, Assistive Technology and Adaptive Equipment are available for Adults with Learning Disabilities in The Workplace.
September 17th, 2008 at 10:47 pm
The Job situation with M.H.M. still hasn’t been resolved??? There has been no response to the 3 letters I’ve written to Pastors’ Wally and Marilyn Hickey and Pastors’ Reece and Sarah Bowling? Please keep this situation in prayer –
The bible says; in: Matthew 10:16; “I am sending you out like sheep among wolves. Therefore be as shrewd as snakes and as inocent as doves. Thank you!!
Shalom!
September 19th, 2008 at 12:49 am
Today I received my Written Warning from Marilyn Hickey Ministries! I was given the 2nd Verbal Warning on Aug. 21st, 08 based on the Product Line. They tested me on the Product Line on Aug. 26th, 08. So, they gave me aprox. 2 days to study & learn it!! Then, presented me with it today!! This was in the same time frame – Aug. 21st – 26th, when they hired InService America to take their Product and Global calls! That hardly seems fair or just!
I did manage to get Pastor Reece Bowling, Dr. Marilyns’ son – in-law to pray with me for a job while I was headed out the door.
Interesting thou, I wrote my 4th letter to the Hickeys’ and Bowlings & have yet to get a response!! I think I’ve got mine??
I did attempt to talk to our Executive Director, Cathy Ryan, from Ok. City, OK. , and “She replied; You have “Gifts and Talents”!! Then why can’t God use me here? I also tried talking with our Online Supervisor, Adrienne Dolezal, whom graduated from ORU, with a Mastors Degree in Christian Counseling. “She replied;” God has a plan for you!”And our MHPC Manager, Marsha Smith says ?? Then theirs’ the M.H.P.C./Teleservices Manager;Nancy Buckner, who proclaims: “You should know this by now”? And don’t forget our very “new” Human Resource Director: Pam Hettlinger whom today served me my free doughnut along with my six year” Certificate of Appreciation”!
Well, have we become so hard & callous, “”In the Christian Workplace, that we don’t care about our fellow Christians and the Lost !! {Rom. 16:6}; {Rom. 12:10}.
Maybe our Gospel message has been so watered down, with deception and lies, We should : “Preach the Truth”!
Or maybe, “We have become so obsessed with making money & “new” Technology to get things done “Faster & Quicker”, selling Products, Partnerships, Tours, & Breakfast Encounter’s, that wev’e lost sight of the call and purpose God has placed on this Earth, to be a Witness for Christ!!!
September 28th, 2008 at 3:00 pm
I work for M.H.M. I received another Keying written test on Product, Partnerships & ect. o Friday Sept. 26th, 2008.
In reference to my last e-mail, I was pertaining to “Loving” our fellow Christians, “In the Christian Workplace & outside the Workplace”!! The bible says; In: 1 Cor.13:1-2; Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I have become sounding brass or a clanging cymbal. And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing.
GOD’S Word says In: Proverbs 10:12; Hatred stirs up strife, But love covers all sins.
And In: Heb. 13:1; Let brotherly love continue.
Do not forget to entertain strangers, for by so doing some have unwittingly entertained angels. Amen!!
September 28th, 2008 at 3:14 pm
And In GOD’S Word: Revelation 2:4-5 , “Nevertheless I have this against you, that you have left your first love.
“Remember therefore from where you have fallen; repent and do the first works, or else I will come to you quickly and remove your lampstand from its place-unless you repent.
September 29th, 2008 at 8:18 pm
In reference to my last e-mail,
for we are in this world, but not of it. This world is not our
home, we are just passing through.
The Bible says, In: Jn. 15:18-19; “If the world hates you, you know that it hated Me before it hated you.
If you were of the world, the world would love its own. Yet because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you.
Also in: 1 Jn. 2:17; And the world is passing away, and the lust of it; but he who does the will of God abides forever. And 1 Jn. 3:13-15; as well!
September 29th, 2008 at 8:39 pm
Next, GOD’S Word says In: 1 Jn. 3:18-19; My little children, let us not love in word or in tongue, but in deed and in truth.
And by this we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before Him.
2 Tim. 3:1-3; says: But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come:
For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good –
But where is the LOVE? Which is one of The Fruits of The Spirit!
Matt. 3:7; says: But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to his baptism, he said to them, “Brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
September 29th, 2008 at 8:57 pm
The Bible says; In: Matt. 3:8-10; “Therefore bear fruits worthy of repentance,
“and do not think to say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father. ‘For I say to you that God is able to raise up children to Abraham from these stones.
“And even now the ax is laid to the root of the trees. Therefore every tree which does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
What kind of Fruit are they Bearing?
Matthew 7:15-16; says: “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves.
“You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles?
September 29th, 2008 at 9:15 pm
Lastly, repentance!! ” The Lamb of God”
In: Jn. 1:29; The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold! The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!
And In: Romans 3: 23-26; for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,
whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed,
to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.
September 30th, 2008 at 9:44 pm
“Bearing Seed for Sowing”!
Those who sow in tears
Shall reap in joy.
He who continually goes forth weeping,
Bearing seed for sowing
Shall doubtless come again with rejoicing,
Bringing his sheaves with him. Psalm 126:5-6
The Executive Director, Cathy Ryan and the Human Resource Director, Pam Hettlinger, called me into a meeting today, Sept. 30th,2008; pertaining to the 4 letters Iv’e written to Marilyn Hickey Ministries. To: Pastor’s Wallace & Marilyn Hickey-Founders of M.H.M. & O.R.C.C. ,Pastor’s Reece & Sarah Bowling,Senior Pastor of Orchard Rd Christian Center & President of M.H.M.; Gina Hilbrich, Vice – President, and Karen Zirger [E.L.T.]. I was told that I didn’t go through the proper chain of command? I went from the bottom and up! Cathy Ryan keeps trying to force me to quit!! “By saying,”Isn’t there something else you could do”? They keep pressuring me! So, please keep this situation in prayer.
September 30th, 2008 at 9:51 pm
Also, The Online Supervisor, Adrienne Dolezal, downloaded to my computer InService America’s power point they used to train them on Marilyn Hickey Ministrie’s Product Line, since they took it over on Aug. 25th thru the 27th, 2008. That was helpful!!!!
October 1st, 2008 at 8:08 pm
On Tues. 09/30/08, at the meeting with H.R.[Pam Hettlinger], and the Executive Director, [Cathy Ryan]; “Cathy had said; that I was costing Marilyn Hickey Ministries money”! And that I lost 5 first time callers on Aug. 25th thru Sept. 2nd, 2008? How do they know they won’t call back???
Interesting thou, she mentioned Pastor Reece Bowling [M.H.M. President & Senior Pastor/O.R.C.C] wanting “The Prayer Warriors” to take 2 more calls per day, per person? Also, that I did not know about the FREE book on Spiritual Warfare called:”Victorious Spiritual Warfare”? Given out if you become a Monthly Faith Covenant Partner/Direct Payment or Auto-Charge. Also, the book, ” Key’s To More Miracles”? [only for Partners]. It cannot be sold as a sale! I tried to explain that, because of my “Dyslexia,” I have trouble reading, and on the other book, they were monitoring my phone calls that whole week of Aug. 25th, 2008. I was so nervous, I made a mistake!!
I did get to work in the Shipping & Receiving Dept. Today from 10:35am. to 11:45pm. !! That was good!
“Paul’s Vision and His Thorn’
The Bible says; In 2 Cor. 12:7-10; To keep me from becoming conceited because of these surpassing great revelations, there was given me a thorn in my flesh, a messenger of Satan, to torment me. Three times I pleaded with the Lord to take it away from me. but he said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.”
Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ’s power may rest on me. That is why, for Christ’s sake, I delight in weaknesses, in insults, in hardships, in persecutions, in difficulties. For when I am weak, then I am strong.
October 2nd, 2008 at 10:46 pm
Concerning Shipping for Marilyn Hickey Ministries, they will be getting rid of G shipping method, for Premium Items $50.00 & over and Product Items $25.00 or more. The shipping time for Premiums is 3-5 weeks -FREE, and the shipping time for Product Sales are 10 Bus. days! So, hopefully there won’t be as many thing’s counted agains’t us!!!
A caller asked about the blessed oil Dr. Oral Roberts prayed over? M.H.M. gives out Anointing oil Dr. Oral Roberts prayed over when they become a Monthly Faith Covenant Partner of $25.00 per month. Which I didn’t answer her question?
My question is: How long ago did Dr. Oral Roberts pray over the oil?
There are many questions to be asked in a T.V. Ministry??
“Be Generous and Do Good”
GOD’S Word says: In: GAl. 6:6-7; Let him who is taught the word share in all good things with him who teaches.
Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, that he will reap.
October 4th, 2008 at 10:21 pm
Are they planting “Good Seed” or “Bad Seed”?
Good Seed produces a Harvest! Bad Seed, brings forth corruption! Amem! Gal. 6:8-9; says:
For he who sows to his flesh will of the flesh reap corruption, but he who sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap
everlasting life.
And let us not grow weary while doing good, for in due season we shall reap if we do not lose heart.
“Seed Faith”?
Lk. 8:11-12; “Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God.
“Those by the wayside are the ones who hear; then the devil comes and takes away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.
Also, In: Jn. 15:16-17; says: “You did not choose Me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit, and that your fruit should remain, that whatever you ask the Father in My name He may give you.
“These things I command you, that you love one another.
And In Matt. 13:30; ‘Let both grow together until the harvest, and at the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, “First gather together the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into my barn.” ‘
October 7th, 2008 at 8:04 pm
This is what GOD’S Word says about “Love”!
In: 1 Cor. 13:5-7; It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
October 7th, 2008 at 8:22 pm
Also, the bible says; In: 1Cor. 13:8-10; Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. For we know in part and we prophesy in part, but when perfection comes, the imperfect dissappears.
And In: 1 Cor. 13:13; And these three remain: faith, hope, and love. But the greatest of these is love.
October 8th, 2008 at 9:30 pm
M.H.M. might possibly change the time given to take the Written Keying/Product Test from 20 min. to 25 min., which would be a great help!! It would allow us time to read over the test! God bless!!
October 10th, 2008 at 5:48 pm
Dr. Marilyn Hickey is speaking at my Church this Sunday, Oct. 12th, 2008; at 10:00am.; for a Special Speaking and Healing Service, In: Green Valley Ranch; at : Faith Family Worship Center-Pastors’ of the Church are: Pastors: Bruce and Pam Chambers! Dr. Marilyn will be speaking in the Omar D. Blair School, 4905 Cathay St., Denver, CO. 80249. God bless!!
October 12th, 2008 at 3:23 pm
It was a good Healing Service this afternoon!
“Is Healing For Today? Of course!!
The Word of GOD says; In: Psalm 107:20; He sent forth his word and healed them;
he rescued them from the grave.
“Pray for the sick and always be faithful”!
Dr. Marilyn Hickey speaks at her son in-law and daughter’s Church, Orchard Road Christian Center,[Pastors' Reece And Sarah Bowling]; which is the Church Pastors’ Wallace and Marilyn Hickey founded.
Dr. Marilyn is also the Chairman of the Board of Regents of Oral Roberts University.
October 13th, 2008 at 10:48 pm
Wed. Oct. 15th, 2008 is Partner Days at Marilyn Hickey Ministries! When Marilyn partnered with Oral Roberts Ministries, the anointing to heal came upon her. [Ps. 133].
Marilyn and Sarah are believing for Partners to receive the same anointing that they have – a healing anointing.
October 15th, 2008 at 8:53 pm
Marilyn ickey Ministries: “Job or Ministry Job”?
“Come Out and Be Separate”!
The Bible says; In: 2 Cor. 6:16-17; What agreement is there between the temple of God and idols? For we are the temple of the living God. As God has said: “I will live with them and walk among them, and I will be their God, and they will be my people.”
“Therefore come out from them
and be separate,
says the Lord.
October 15th, 2008 at 9:00 pm
We must not just speak WORDS of Compassion, but we must show it by our ACTIONS!!
1 Sam. 2:3-4; says: “Do not keep talking so proudly
or let your mouth speak such
arrogance,
for the LORD is a God who knows,
and by him deeds are weighed.
The bows of the warriors are broken, but those who stumbled are armed with strength.
October 15th, 2008 at 9:17 pm
“For ACTIONS speak louder than WORDS”!
GOD”S Word says; In: Is. 29:13-14;
The Lord says:
“These people come near to me with
their mouth
and honor me with their lips,
but their hearts are far from me.
Their worship of me
is made up only of rules taught by
men.
Therefore once more I will astound
these people
with wonder upon wonder;
the wisdom of the wise will perish,
the intelligence of the intelligent
will vanish.”
“We say we LOVE people,
but what’s REAL?”
For the Word of the LORD says; In: 1 Tim. 4:10;
[and for this we labor and strive ], that we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all men, and especially of those who believe.
October 16th, 2008 at 8:48 pm
“Love Turns Around Every Situation”!
In: Proverbs 21:1-3; GOD’S Word says:
The king’s heart is in the hand
of the LORD,
Like the rivers of water;
He turns it wherever He wishes.
Every way of a man is right in his own eyes,
But the LORD weighs the hearts.
To do righteousness and justice
Is more acceptable to the LORD
than sacrifice.
October 16th, 2008 at 9:07 pm
“LOVE” Speaks Louder Than Words;
Through FORGIVENESS!
The Bibles says; In: Colossians 3:12-14;
Therefore, as the elect of God,
holy and beloved, put on tender mercies,
kindness, humility, meekness, longsuffering;
bearing with one another, and forgiving
one another, if anyone has a complaint against
another, even as Christ forgave you, so you also
must do.
But above all these things put on love,
which is the bond of perfection.
October 22nd, 2008 at 9:10 pm
“Repentance”!!
Confessing Sin -
Read: Daniel 9:4-5; And the Word of GOD says: In: 1 John 1:9; If we confess ours sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.
“Forgiveness”!
Read: Matthew 6:14-15;
The Bible says; In: Matthew 5:43-45; “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor” and hate your enemy.’ but I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.
“Love Covers Sin”!!
In: 1 Peter 4:8; GOD says: Above all, love each other deeply, because love covers over a multitude of sins.
In Him we have redemption through His Blood, the forgiveness of sins, in accordance with the riches of God’s grace. – Eph. 1:7.
For Our Sins Are Forgiven As Far As The East Is From The West!!!!!!! He wiped the slate clean!! Amen!
As the Bible says; In: Ps. 103:12; as far as the east is from the west, so far has he removed our transgressions from us.
“FAITH’S CONFESSION
October 22nd, 2008 at 9:35 pm
The Bible says; In Romans 10:9-10; That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved.
October 22nd, 2008 at 9:50 pm
“Hidden Anger unnoticed is another problem in the church and in Ministry today!
In: Math. 10:26; and In: Proverbs 15:1;
GOD says:
A gentle answer turns away wrath, but a harsh word stirs up anger.
October 28th, 2008 at 4:43 pm
Marilyn Hickey Ministries decided they may increase our written Keying Product/Partner test from 25 min. to 30 min. God Is Good!!
Unfortunately, today the Marilyn Hickey staff were told they were closing the Prayer Center as of Nov. 7th, 2008; and that would be our last day!! They also said; they would give us severance pay.
October 28th, 2008 at 5:10 pm
“Pride Promotes Strife”!!!
In: James 4:6; GOD’S Word say’s
But He gives more grace. Therfore He says:
“Do not Judge A Brother”!
The Bible says In: James 4: 11-12;
Brothers, do not slander one another
Anyone who speaks against his brother or judges him speaks against the law and judges it. When you judge the law, you are not keeping it, but sitting in judgement on it. There is only one Lawgiver and Judge, the one who is able to save and destroy. But you – who are you to judge your neighbor?
In The Body Of Christ; we should speak Words To Edify & Build Up, not Tear Down!!!!!!
In Eph. 4:29-30;
Do not let any wholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen. And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.
October 29th, 2008 at 9:34 pm
Also, In: Eph. 4:31-32;
Let all bitterness, wrath, anger, clamor, and evil speaking be put away from you, with all malice.
And be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God in Christ forgave you.
“BLAMELESS”!
GOD’S Word says; In: Gen. 44:10;
And he said, “Now also let it be according to your words; he with whom it is found shall be my slave, and you shall be blameless.”
InService America will be taking the Prayer calls, as well as the Product/Partnership & Global calls.
October 30th, 2008 at 8:07 pm
The Marilyn Hickey Ministries Teleservices Manager for the Prayer Center; Nancy Buckner, will be working at M.H.M and with InService America out of Virginia in taking Marilyn Hickey Ministries Prayer calls, as well as Product, Partnership and Global calls starting on: Nov. 07th, 2008.
November 4th, 2008 at 8:42 pm
Please continue to pray for “jobs” for the 40 employees & staff including myself, that got laid off at: Marilyn Hickey Ministries [from the Prayer Center closure on 11/07/08].
Thank You!!
God bless!
November 7th, 2008 at 11:01 pm
” Do non-profit organizations not have to pay unemployment”?
November 9th, 2008 at 8:57 pm
“Question”??? Do 501[C][3] Religious Organization Employer’s pay unemployment? [such as Marilyn Hickey Ministries, Inc.; [DBA - Orchard Road Christian Center]; including InService America? Does the Call Center, InService America, which Marilyn Hickey Ministries is using, a nonprofit organization/501[C][3] ?
November 9th, 2008 at 9:50 pm
Are Marilyn & Sarah Marilyn Hickey Ministries, DBA -Orchard Road Christian Center, Oral Roberts University, or InService America Co.; Reimbursable Employer’s????
November 10th, 2008 at 12:21 am
The bible says; in: Luke 20:25; “Caesar’s, they replied.
He said to them,”Then give to Caesar what is Caesar’s, and to God what is God’s.” Amen!
November 17th, 2008 at 6:57 pm
I am still waiting to here from unemployment concerning the six years I worked in the Prayer Center for my ex-employer – Marilyn Hickey Ministries/Today with Marilyn and Sarah???
November 21st, 2008 at 10:42 pm
Colorado Employment Security Act 8 – 70 – 140 – [1]
states: Marilyn Hickey Ministries, is exempt from coverage for Unemployment Benefits.
It seems they reap the benefits of both, being a Non-Profit Religious Organization and being a Business ??
November 21st, 2008 at 11:22 pm
Marilyn Hickey Ministries closed their Prayer Center on 11/07/08.
Money changer’s in the Church? With Ministries and Churches like this, the focus is on Money, Appearance, Entertainment and Advertising!!
This shouldn’t be our priority in the Church today!! It should be Worship and Prayer to our LORD JESUS CHRIST!!
For the Word of the LORD says In: Matthew 21: 12-13;
Jesus entered the temple area and drove out all who were buying and selling there. He over turned the tables of the money changers and the benches of those selling doves. “it is written, “he said to them, ” ‘My house will be called a house of prayer, ‘but you are making it a ‘den of robbers.’ “
December 4th, 2008 at 10:43 pm
Please continue to pray for a job for myself & those that had been laid off from The Prayer Center at Marilyn Hickey Ministries.
I have not been able to get unemployment benefits because of Marilyn Hickey’s Non-Profit Status. It makes it very hard for my family and I, and the other 39 people that were laid off, during this Christmas Season.
Also, I pray that Marilyn Hickey Ministries and Today with Marilyn and Sarah Hickey Ministries would be honest enough to their Prayer Partners and those supporting them in the Denver, Colorado Metro area, to let them know that the Prayer Center is closed. And that Marilyn Hickey Ministries hired InService America to take their Prayer, Product, and Global calls, as of the 7th of November 2008!!
HONESTY is the BEST POLICY!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AMEN!
GOD Bless, Tandi Padilla
December 6th, 2008 at 11:45 pm
Give me Oral or give me death!
December 7th, 2008 at 8:37 am
There’s a reason my first name is Oral…
December 7th, 2008 at 6:44 pm
A former Marilyn Hickey Ministries employee writes: During this Christmas time –
GOD’S Word says: in: ” Luke 2:1-7,”
In those days Caesar Augustus issued a decree that a census should be taken of the entire Roman world. [this was the first census that took place while Quirinius was govenor if Syria.] and everyone went to his own town to register.
So Joseph also went up from the town of Nazareth in Galilee to Judea, to Bethlehem the town of David, because he belonged to the house and line of David.
He went there to register with Mary, who was pledged to be married to him and was expecting a child. While they were there, the time came for the baby to be born, and she gave birth to her firstborn, a son. She wrapped him in cloths and placed him in a manger, because there was no room for them in the inn.
December 8th, 2008 at 8:37 pm
Oral Roberts University to lay off 100 employees and Marilyn Hickey Ministries laid off 40 employees on November 7th, 2008.
What do these two Christian Organizations have in common?
Are these lay-offs, tax write offs, or a cheaper way to save money??
If you want to save money in your Ministry, hire the call center; InService America, out of Lynchburg, Virginia – for your prayer needs and product sales!!!!!
December 8th, 2008 at 8:49 pm
The Word Became Flesh
In the beginning was the Word, and
the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
He was with God in the beginning. Amen!
John 1:1-2
December 8th, 2008 at 10:35 pm
Standing on GOD’s Word!!! “The Word Became Flesh” The bible says; in: John 1:1-2;
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning.
December 11th, 2008 at 10:23 pm
First of all, I just want to say; how much I appreciate my Church, Faith Family Worship Center, in Green Valley Ranch, Denver, CO., for helping me with a Thanksgiving and Christmas food basket this holiday season.
I felt so down about losing my job, it’s not just losing the income but not being able to Pray with people anymore at Marilyn Hickey Ministries. I miss the people. It’s hard to go from praying for 40 people or more a day, 5 days a week, then nothing. I feel like the Ministry doesn’t care about me and I feel sort of useless.
Now, I kind of know what a Pastor feels like after minstering for years, then not having a church to minister to? I sopose it is a grieving process.
Anyhow, I was wondering why, Non-Profit Religious Organizations with employees such as Marilyn Hickey Ministries; don’t have to pay Unemployment Benefits?
I contacted the Colorado Department of Labor and Employment, UI Director, Mike Cullen on this matter??
I wanted to know the difference between Non-Profits and self-employed people? Self-employed businesses with employees pay unemployment tax. For instance, like my father-inlaws Mexican Restaurant.
Then why is it that Non-profit “Religious Businesses” don’t???
December 19th, 2008 at 6:30 pm
“Render unto Caesar…” [Mark 12:17].
When Christ told the religious leaders to pay taxes to Caesar, he implied there are both secular authorities and spiritual authorities.
Paying taxes demonstrates our commitment to good citizenship.
God has no problem supplying Marilyn Hickey Ministries with the money they need to pay Unemployment tax!
Instead, Religious Leaders should focus on the future with confidence, knowing that He will supply all their needs according to His riches in glory. God bless!
MERRY CHRISTMAS!!
January 6th, 2009 at 8:08 pm
I have a hearing with Colorado Unemployment on Jan. 12, 2009; concerning my employment with Marilyn Hickey Ministries. Please keep me in prayer for Favor!!! Thank you!
January 6th, 2009 at 10:17 pm
Can Non-Profit Religious Organizations pay Unemployment tax when they have 100 or more employees; such as: Focus On The Family, ORU and Marilyn Hickey Ministries? If not, does Colorado pay Emergency Unemployment Benefits to Non – Profit employees who cannot collect Unemployment??
January 11th, 2009 at 6:57 pm
My Pastors, Pastors David Reece and Sarah Bowling donated to my child’s School, for the “Run For Funds!”
Several families from her School donated money towards her tuition. Thank You!!
I haven’t been able to find a job yet, but still looking!!
January 18th, 2009 at 5:31 pm
God says; “Redeem The Time”!!
In Hewbrews 13: 6;
So we say with confidence,
“The Lord is my helper; I will not be afraid.
What can man do to me?”
And In Psalms 107:2;
Let the redeemed of the Lord say this–
those he redeemed from the hand of the foe,
January 18th, 2009 at 5:38 pm
My Church, Faith Family Worship Center; on 4905 Cathay St., in Denver, CO. helped several families in taking their “teens” to the Revolve Tour, including myself!!!! What a Blessing!!!!!!!!!!!!!
January 18th, 2009 at 6:24 pm
“Does Marilyn Hickey have Family Member Employee’s on their Board of Directors”?
January 18th, 2009 at 6:38 pm
“What about Feminist Theology”?? The Bible says; in 1 Tim. 2:11
A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.
And in: 2 Thess. 1:8
He will punish those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus.
January 20th, 2009 at 2:12 am
I lost the hearing with Marilyn Hickey Ministries on Jan. 12, 2009, because they are listed with the state of Colorado as a Non-Profit Corporation. So, therefore they do not have to pay Unemployment tax! It’s legal! But, is it ethical?
You tell me!
January 28th, 2009 at 5:55 pm
Marilyn Hickey Ministries sent me a threatening letter on January 22, 2009; stating:”that if I did not stop pursuing my unemployment claim, they would force me to pay back the severance pay that I had received from them on November 07, 2008.” It was one week of pay for every two years of employment. I worked there for six years. The amount was just about enough to cover one months of wages.
That is why I filed for unemployment benefits!
Secondly, Marilyn Hickey Ministries told me I had to sign for my last paycheck!!
January 28th, 2009 at 5:59 pm
“Per the Marilyn Hickey Minisitries hearing”—
“It is my legal right to be able to file for Unemployment Benefits in the State of COLORADO”!!
January 28th, 2009 at 6:00 pm
I thought Christians were’nt sopose to sue one another?
January 28th, 2009 at 6:02 pm
Is Marilyn Hickey Ministries a religious organization??
January 28th, 2009 at 8:12 pm
Like ORU, does Marilyn Hickey Ministries ” Love One Another” or “Sue One Another?”
January 31st, 2009 at 12:19 am
“LAWSUITS AMONG BELIEVERS”
The Bible Says in 1 Corinthians 6:1~ If any of you has a dispute with another, dare he take it before the ungodly for judgement instead of before the saints?
In 1 Corinthians 6:7-8 The very fact that you have lawsuits among you means you have been completely defeated already. Why not rather be wronged? Why not rather be cheated?
January 31st, 2009 at 12:21 am
Amen to that! ?
February 1st, 2009 at 4:08 pm
Marilyn Hickey Ministries sent me a letter written by Roland Tamminga, Chief Financial Officer & In House Counsel, concerning an Employee Separation Agreement. It stated: “Tandi, we appreciate the services you provided to Marilyn Hickey Ministries; however, we must put you on notice that in accordance with this Agreement, should you pursue any further type of claim against the Ministry, we will be entitled to make a demand for full recovery of the severence payment made to you at the time of your seperation of employment.”
February 1st, 2009 at 5:04 pm
Isaiah 49:9 says;
to say to the captives, ‘Come out,’
and to those in darkness,
‘Be free!’ “They will feed beside the roads and find pasture on every barren hill.
February 6th, 2009 at 8:45 pm
“Why do Ministries like Marilyn Hickey Ministries want to take money from Christians”?
A moral loss is greater than any material gain!!!
March 3rd, 2009 at 9:25 pm
I am still awaiting “another” hearing date on my Unemployment claim with Marilyn Hickey Ministries???
I’ve been unemployed now for almost 4 months!
The bible talks about; “The wealth of the wicked is laid up for the righteous”!
As, Mircosoft did for their ex-employees; I am praying Marilyn Hickey and her daughter Sarah Bowling will have mercy on me and not force me to pay back the severance pay they gave me?
I believe Severance Pay and Unemployment Benefits are two different things!!
March 9th, 2009 at 6:30 pm
The Marilyn Hickey Ministries Unemployment case now goes to Colorado Court of Appeals. . . .
March 15th, 2009 at 4:39 pm
Concerning the Marilyn Hickey Ministries Unemployment claim, Non-Profits don’t have to pay Unemployment Benefits!
But, as to why back in Jan. of 2008; Marilyn Hickey Ministries gave everyone raises, F/T employment and overhired 35 new employees – only to lay them off and rehire InService America to take their Prayer, Product and Global calls. Was it a misuse of GOD’s money??? Is M.H. M. ran like a business or a Non-Profit Corporation???
According to the Colorado Department Of Labor And Employment; it doesn’t matter – What only matters is if they are a Non-Profit Religious Organization!!
April 17th, 2009 at 2:13 pm
I LOST!!!!!
I dismissed my Unemployment case for Marilyn Hickey Ministries because I do not have the funds to pursue it!
Regardless, we should not put our hope in man, but in God!!! “In God we trust”! Amen!! Good Luck!
Bye for now,
Tandi
July 8th, 2009 at 12:59 pm
daddy dearest did you tell everyone that u left ur own daughter to live on the streets in poverty and accepted someone else in my place did you tell them that when i was12 years old u put me on astage u spit on me called me the devil and your son threw a candle stick holder at me stricking me in the head i am not the devil and daddy dearst you will get abig surprise when the media finds out about the dna match
August 6th, 2009 at 1:42 pm
The bible says in: JOHN 8:32 –
And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
Freedom does come from knowing the truth!
August 30th, 2009 at 10:02 pm
Since getting laid off on Nov. 07, 2008 from Marilyn Hickey Ministries. I’ve applied at several or more call centers, with the economy being the way it is, and with Marilyn Hickey Ministries being a Non-Profit Organization, I was unable to get Unemployment. Our house is in Foreclosure, and up for Auction in Littleton, CO. on Nov. 18, 2009. I ask myself; “Where is The Church and Marilyn Hickey” in this time on crisis?? Do they not care that they put 40-45 Christians out of work and that we will be homeless on Nov. 18th? Where’s the love for our fellow Christians? Does Marilyn Hickey Ministies care for people in her own state or is it just for other countries? What do you think?
August 31st, 2009 at 5:04 pm
Like the Oral Roberts Scandal, Marilyn Hickey Ministries has quite an Uproar over the 40-45 employees that were laid off last Nov. 2008 in Denver, Colorado. While the Ministry continues to prosper, 50% of their employees have been able to find work, the other 50% haven’t. Please keep us in your prayers.
October 12th, 2009 at 8:17 pm
Since I’ve gotten laid off from the Prayer Center at Marilyn Hickey Ministries last Nov. 07, 2008, God has shown me me that out of the Valley of Achor (which means trouble) God will give me a door of hope. As His Word says in: HOS. 2:14-15 – Therefore, behold, I will allure her, Will bring her into the wilderness, And speak comfort to her. I will give her her vineyards from there, And the Valley of Achor as a door of hope; She shall sing there, As in the days of her youth, As in the day when she came up from the land of Egypt.
November 8th, 2009 at 1:36 am
It’s been 1 year since I got laid off from Marilyn Hickey Ministries, on Nov. 7, 2008. Since then, my townhouse is in Foreclosure and going up for sale on Nov. 18. 2009 in Littleton, CO. – thanks to our FHA loan through Colorado Housing and Finance Authority. My husband James, is at: University of Colorado Hospital in ICU with Influenza. Through it all I’ve learned to Cling to God!!!!! How can we choose life and blessing instead of death and cursing??? As God’s Word says in – Deut. 30:19-20
I call heaven and earth as witnesses today against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing; therefore choose life, that both you and your descendants may live; that you may love the LORD your God, that you may obey His voice and that you may cling to Him; for He is your life and the length of your days………..Amen!!
November 13th, 2009 at 3:32 pm
When you chase fake healers that is usually what you get Fake religion
December 20th, 2009 at 1:43 pm
Diane Wright wrote a letter to the Denver Post. Her dad witnessed what really went on at Oral Robert’s Healings when he was a cop working extra duty at the old City Auditorium. He witnessed phony people who were “”pretending that they were disabled drop their crutches and walk off the stage after Roberts’ “healing prayers.””
January 7th, 2010 at 2:48 pm
@Paula, message #19:
You do know the difference between God & an attorney, don’t you?
God doesn’t think he’s an attorney.
January 14th, 2010 at 11:16 am
Like Oral Roberts, my husband James C. Padilla died on Tues. 12-15-2009. He also had the pneumonia.
The bible says in; 2 Tim. 2:3 ~ You therefore must endure hardship as a good soldier of Jesus Christ.
I opened a “James C. Padilla Memorial Fund”. If you would like to help, mail any gifts to: Wells Fargo Bank, 5601 S. Broadway, Littleton, CO. 80121-8010. it’s in my name – Tandi D. Padilla. James died at 47 yrs of age. He left behind a wife and 15 year old daughter.
Thank You!!!!!
God bless you all!!
January 16th, 2010 at 11:19 am
Why do Christians continue to make excuses and turn a blind eye to what their so-called spiritual leaders are doing? The Bible says ye shall know them by their fruits. If greed grows on the tree take your money and FLEE!