These accusations are of interest to me because I am a female teacher also. Fortunately, when I was doing my student teaching, as well as in my first couple of years of teaching, I was given good advice by seasoned teachers about how to behave with students. I, too, wished to be friendly with students, but realized my first role was to educate them. I am sure Mrs. Ogletree can look back and wish she had kept more distance in some cases or at least done some things differently, but the accusations themselves made against her are over the top — since they have been shown to be lies. Has anyone thought that perhaps at least one or two of these boys may have DREAMED their fantasies, and that sharing their dreams or fantasies with someone else could have started the rumours? If this is the case, we are all at risk.

It is unfortunate — and scary — to see a teacher who is innocent of the extreme behaviour she is accused of taken down with other teachers who have clearly been guilty of similar charges.

MAY JUSTICE RULE!!!

Sylvia

Doctor Phil is an idiot. What he was thinking of by harrassing Mrs Ogletree and deriding her “reactions” is one for the real shrinks to dissect. I suspect that Phil is just a moron as I said, but it is also possible that he was trying to force the woman to cry in front of the camera.

If there is any justice, the Ogletrees will skin the sanctimonious citizens of that town for a million bucks, at least.

But I’m curious if yall feel there should be a double standard in regards to boy vs girls. Personally I think its ludicrous to call a 15 year old boy having sex with his teacher rape. Young boys are not vulnerable like young girls, and IMO aren’t in any danger in that regard. Sex is different for boys and girls, and I think these nuances should be reflected in these laws. I do feel it is wrong, conflict of interest : I don’t believe a college professor should date a student either….nothing to do with age.

Most teenage boys would be ecstatic to have teen sex with an older woman that attractive, and the fact that they are going so out of their way to implicate her smacks of these boys having been rebuked in some way by her.

My favorite The Door’s lyric refers to this mentality,

“women seem wicked, when you’re unwanted”

People are strange….

I wonder what her identity is, a mom of a confused testosterone driven lying teenager such as the two boys in this case and I also wonder how her looks are. Maybe she is jealous herself.

True enough for everyone involved this is an awful case also for the moms and dads. Yet I can not understand how you can help your son perpetuate lies and make complete fools out of yourself and therefor your parents on national TV.

Joelle comes appears genuine and eloquent and completely trustworthy. What blows my mind is that they never questioned her and believed some ratty, adolescent confused boys from the start. Even after one recanted!

Joelle is pretty and I can not imagine any of the moms of the two boys that perpetuated these lies being prettier, on the outside nor on the inside!

I respect Sam for stepping up the plate and the only way to get respect back for the other two is if they come clean.
But somehow the eyes of Matt tell me he is not man enough to do that. I call those false eyes.

Very well done for her to keep fighting, all my respect.

Matt is completely incredible, the way he sits there in the video, his voice even skips as if he is still 16, he looks her in the eye true but more in a way to

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bqcGEJ7gA0

If you would like to see me lay the SMACKETH DOWN on everything that anyone has to say against Joelle Ogletree, go to the Joelle Ogletree blog on Zimbio.com and read all my comments. If you don’t want to take your time to read all of my comments (simply because you might not feel like seeing me rip on anymore ignoramus’s) at least read the last two comments of that blog which concludes and answers all of the concerns you just brought up to me in your above comment (and that includes the so called “letter coding”).

Here’s the link

Take care.

-Rob

P.S. I wouldn’t mind Catherine. I like my women feisty.

Here are the facts of this case:

1) One of Joelle’s accusers recanted his testimony and admitted he was lying and could not be found to testify on the Dr Phil show

2) The second boy failed the lie detector test and on ALL THREE questions the polygraph expert determined he was lying

3) The third boy, Matt failed the lie detector test and the polygraph expert determined he was being deceitful

Matt was inconsistent with all of his facts and made the excuse that it was “six years ago” and that he couldn’t remember. That’s absurd. If you had been involved in a sexual affair with a high school teacher do you think you would have forgotten ANYTHING???

Joelle also called the boy on dates, times, clothing worn, places and he fudged every single question.

Instead of making the “typical American” of condemning someone without evidence and using the idiotic ‘there is no smoke without fire’ technique: simply examine the facts dispassionately, sit back and make your decision.

If she were guilty why would she go $100,000 in debt to prove her innocence? if she were guilty why would she risk being unmasked in front of millions of people on the Dr Phil show?

Joelle Ogletree has way more credibility than a few hormone-riddled 15 year olds, one of whom has admitted to lying and two of whom have been exposed as liars on national TV.

She is courageously facing down her accusers and has successfully proved her innocence both in court, on national TV and in the court of public opinion.

The boys were lying.

P.S. — Just because you “bet your life” that “some” of her allegations are true, doesn’t make that a fact. Where is your evidence to support that claim? Exactly. Your fallacy is called: “Subjectivity.” (Look it up if you don’t know what that means.)

Take care sweetie.

-Rob

Irresponsible troublemaking kids have been spreading rumors since the dawn of time. It’s up to the adults who are responsible for them to properly evaluate these types of circumstances BEFORE taking action. Is there an excuse to fire someone based on an accusation without even allowing the accused the opportunity to address the allegations? NO! While the phrase “gross negligence” sounds strong–it doesn’t even begin to describe the institutional negligence demonstrated by the school board.

I don’t want to go on and on, so I’ll just end with this: Put yourself in Joelle’s place. Imagine fighting accusations–from some of the worst liars I’ve ever seen, I might add–for 5 years and still suffering punitive punishment by the school board–just because they can.

I am strongly opposed to opportunistic people bilking governmental entities for millions of dollars based on technicalities and trumped up, exaggerated charges. That is the wrong action for the wrong reasons. Ms. Ogletree’s lawsuit is exactly the opposite. Given the rampant ignorance and idiocy displayed by the former and current school board–I can’t conceive of an award that would be too generous.

In NO WAY am I defending this woman. I was defending the mothers of the boys that are caught up in this tragic story because someone made a comment that the boys mother’s were probably jealous of Joelle and started the rumors themselves, which, if you are from Glen Rose, makes you laugh out loud.

But, I will admit: she’s beautiful and it is very intriguing to think that she did get sexual with them.

But, it is sad to think that a schoolboy fantasy escalated to this level. It would have been better for the guys to have individually made a move on her if they liked her so much. At least she would have put them in their place and give them perspective.

So what, people don’t marry other people because they love them, just because they’re the youngest and best looking?

What does that complete fallacy have to do with anything?

Look, the lady was falsely accused by three high school guys, two of which still won’t tell the truth. That’s all we know. Why do we have to degrade the woman in order to defend her. She’s innocent. That’s enough. Don’t do an injustice to her in order to defend her.

“I haven’t read any details regarding the relationships between these three students and the relationships between these students’ parents. But while watching the show last night, I wondered why nobody mentioned a possible connection between Joelle and the boys’ parents, specifically the mothers. Joelle is fairly pretty, and five years ago probably was even prettier. Plus, she is relatively young. Could it be that any of these mothers were jealous enough to start a gossip that eventually led to the Joelle’s indictment?”

The mothers are actually quite pretty and if I recall correctly, Joelle was not that popular in school or in the town. Pretty, yes; – popular, no. I don’t know anyone that has ever been jealous of Joelle. (with all due respect to Joelle)

It’s kind of a joke in town that these guys even “fantasized” about her. It’s just ridiculous. She wouldn’t have married Doug is guys were knocking down her door.

“There is absolutely no way that the superintendent can allow Mrs. Ogletree to teach in that school. If there is even the slightest chance that she is a danger to those students, she can’t be let back in. What would happen if she were apermitted to teach there again? You would have parents keeping their kids home in protest! I’m not saying that she is guilty or not guilty. I don’t know. Only the good Lord knows what happened, as well as the boys and the teacher. It’s just naïve of someone to think that she should or even could be let back in to teach. I feel for her if the allegations are false. I also feel for the boys and their families.. Not to mention the Ogletree family. Its just a sad situation all around. Everyone should stop throwing allegations around and let the courts do their job, but ONLY if it is done fairly and if it is. JUST!”

Rob’s reply:

What the hell is your point? Should she be punished for something that she didn’t do? Are you retarded? So it’s okay to punish her by not letting her teach for something that she was falsely accused of, even though she didn’t do it?

Just because someone gets accused for doing something, doesn’t mean that they actually did it. Your comment states nothing but an overused fallacy used by dipshit politicians who don’t have a point to back themselves up and it’s called: Amoeba Vocaubla–the fallacy of using unsure, tentative-but pointless expressions to avoid committing to a statement.

It’s like you’re unsure of what you’re saying–yeah justice should be served, duh, but not to the wrong person. How f***ing retarded does that sound to say that you’re not sure about something and then state that she should just be punished for it anyway? What would happen if she got to teach at that school again is the PTA and the board of education would realize how big of DIPSHITS they really are and apologize–that to go along with giving her the money that they TRULY OWE HER for breaking the law in the first place by unlawfully firing her without reason. They had no reason to fire her in the first place because they had no factual evidence, neither was it even announced that she was guilty in the legal court, so the school board had apparently BROKEN THE LAW.

Who should really be punished here, huh?

Exactly.

Finally, a question for Cameron (comment #7): Were you raised in Salem, MA?

Let’s see three boys with no credibility.
Boy #1 recants.
Boy #2 fails lie detector.
Boy#3 fails lie detector by a long shot. Not even close according to professional that administered test.

Can’t believe some of you yahoos still thinks she’s guilty. This scares me to death and hope I’m not subjected to a jury of my so-called peers. I think some of you have 1)issues and need serious therapy 2) are just jealous 3) into conspiracy theories.

Joelle’s guilty of being young,pretty,and caring about her students. She has shown amazing class and courage by staying and fighting for the truth. Most of us would have taken the plea and moved away.

Dr. Phil is a good man but he should of factored in that Joelle has battled this for over FIVE years and her emotions are more in control and would rather expose the lies than react on emotion.

Joelle hopefully will move on and will touch others with her unique gifts. I hope she is compensated but I’m sure that she would give it all back to be just a humble servant French teacher in a small Texas town she loves.

It’s already been cleared in legal court with VALID EVIDENCE through legal reasoning to go along with scientific graphs that these accusers were FALSE.Okay?

Credentialed psychologists already concluded that these boys FAILED the polygraph test with the results being “deception.” There IS NO VALID EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER to support the claims of her accusers. To say that she had sex with her students just because her husband was her school teacher is a FALLACY OF FALSE CAUSE–meaning that these accusers used a “coincidental premise” (which factually has NOTHING TO DO with her allegations and is completely POINTLESS) to support their false claim. It’s funny how that’s ALL they had to support themselves too.

How can you think you can openly support unproven, inconsistent claims of dipshit kids with PTA-Bible thumping trailer trash parents that don’t know horse-shit from applesauce who believe every stupid lie their manipulative little kids have to say? You can’t support any of Joelle’s allegations without letting yourself look like a complete and total IDIOT, so I advise you to have yourself a nice warm glass of “shut the hell up.”

Let’s stick with the FACTS buddy, because according to that, you’re WRONG–along with everyone else using this false cause to support these factually fallacious accusers.

-Rob